Composite Stocks

Techball said:
Would this new maker be someone from Calgary? I spoke to a new friend that is starting to make composite stocks and I heard something about a Robertson.
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If u are referring to Chris at MCRS Tactical, stay away. His composite stocks are absolute garbage. Poor quality, terrible inletting, bad molds, and even worse customer service. I ordered three stocks from him and all three were inletted wrong and had severe defects. He somehow has a Robertson f-class stock he is cloning on a 3-d wood cnc. Not sure if he actually purchased the design like he says he did, but I won't do business with MCRS ever again. Patiently waiting for a quality composite stock maker to get started in Canada again.
 
No I did not sell anything to him. If you want to know who owns the design then talk to your lawyer and get his opinion. He is not involved.
 
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Funny, people are asking for canadian composite stocks copying US stock designs all thru this thread and the one in precision rifle forum. Then folks get all panty knotted and full of questions when someone starts alledgedly copying a robertson stock.
The internet is truly an entertaining place sometimes LOL
 
I believe I was the only one that could be described as having my underwear tied up.
Ian obviously isn't concerned; I think it's low and the sign of a very unethical person to have claimed to paid for ownership of something he hadn't. It shows he's a liar, and he feels guilt for using something that isn't theirs for gain.
These folks are a hinderance I'd personally rather see gone. My opinion, rant over.

How is the new stock maker coming along with design?
 
I dont think the issue is cloning stocks. MCRS as a very similiar replica to the McMillian A-5 as well with a few small dimension changes to avoid any patent infringements. I only said he told us that he purchased the rights from Ian to use the Speedy design.

In the end, the MCRS laminate and wood stocks seem not bad so long as you want to do your own inletting work. His composites on the other hand are some of the worst I have ever seen and the guy is absolutely horrible to work with. I wouldnt recommend him to anyone. I would like to touch base with Wildcat composites one day and see what his capacity is to do something more similiar to an A-5 or the Manners T-4 line with the adjustable hardware.

The fact that Ian is mentioning that there is someone coming back to the market and it is Ian Robertson mentioning it carries weight. The Robertson composites where a fantastic product and had some really excellent design with the options people where after. If this new builder is in line with that, this is great news. I personally am sick of being held hostage by the almighty McMillian.
 
I would like to see something along an A-5 design at least. Mcmillans are qood but are kinda flimsy especially compared to a Robertson Composites...
This would be an ideal time to get this up and running for several reasons including a weak Canadian dollar( which should remain low for several years).Supplying the Canadian market with a superior stock is a given and I am sure exports to the States would be very very good indeed( especially considering the exchange).....
 
That's correct. I was talking to Chris on the machining side as I am getting into CNC. He showed me his setup and although basic, has the ability to expand. I'm a hobbyist getting started in experimenting with stockmaking. As an engineer, the design side is certainly easier for me than the implementation.
 
Like I have said before that doing one off cnc work is not for the faint of heart or in other words you better know what you are doing.
As far as patents go I don't think any of the stacks on the market have a patent. I designed the Speedy stock for free so is it my design or does it belong to the people that bought the assets? Not really sure. What it comes down to is that these are handles. The Tac stock we made was based on my design to eliminate the problems of the McM. You only touch the stock in three places at most so that is what matters. The M stock has a funny grip. When you grab it your hand naturely goes up too high on the grip and requires you to reposition your hand before you fire. Our stock did not do that. Our cheek adjuster allowed up and down and sideways adjustment and was rock solid same as the butt. When I did a design function came first. All old history now however.
 
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