Concentrated acids for etching

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Where can I buy acids cheap?
A few outfits that I found on the Internet are so damn expensive that my projects seem to be made of gold afterwards.
Want to etch SS, carbon steel and brass/copper.

Canada Scientific for one is expensive, and many products are of absolutely unnecessary purity.
 
CTire. Battery acid, as well as the Muriatic they sell in the paint dept and swimming pool supplies.

Radio Shack/ The Source. Ferric chloride. Printed circuit board etchant.

There are a few other grocery and hardware store sources.

It does not need to be very pure for a good etch.

Cross contamination of copper and steel into the acid is a poor way to get anything done, though, so you need to keep the stuff separated.


Look around the weeb for electro-etching on a DIY basis. Probably the easiest way to etch stainless, if you don't need high relief.

Cheers
Trev
 
salt water

salt water and a battery charger are all that is needed. I dont remember if the -wire goes on the metal to be etched or on the metal plate also placed in the water. I always just experimented since different metals required polarity reversal.
try it.
put one wire on the metal to be etched and the other on a scrap of metal in the salt water. if it does not work revers the wires. you can also solder a wire to the metal ring holding the bristles on a small paint brush and dip it in salt water and place the wet bristles on the metal to be etched. I have used this a lot on knives, guns,and jewlery it works, before you do anything valuable experiment to find a good resist coat. I use a mixture of ashphatum and turpentine.
 
Battery electrolyte is pretty damned dilute sulfuric, I'd go to an industrial janitorial supply house, and get the toilet/clog remover, or drain remover. Don't ask for sulfuric, or they'll look sideways at you, just look around, you'll find it.

It's always labeled the "house" brand name, but you can tell what it is because it says "contains sulfuric acid", and is very, very heavy. Pure sulphuric acid is one of the very few that is much heavier by volume than water. The H2so4 (getting tired of writing it long form) sold there is >94% pure, a syrup really.

Last time I picked some up it was about ten bucks a liter.

When h2so4 is that pure it does something neat when you mix it half and half with a half cup of sugar, in a ceramic mug you'll never use again, and back away at least five feet, sometimes it starts to sputter after it gets going. (I used to be a chem major). It takes a few minutes to get going, and do it outside, it's stinky like burnt caramel (but not toxic).

If you don't need pure sulphuric, and I don't imagine you do, you'll have to mix it with water. Be careful, as diluting conc. H2so4 is exothermic, and can start the water to boiling and spitting.


Remember, acid to water is what you ought-to, water to acid is never placid.


You could use muriatic acid instead, but not only does h2so4 give you two protons per instead of one, as is the case with HCl, the HCl is going to offgas and rust every peice of iron/steel equipment in your shop.

Also, remember with HCL that no matter how dilute the sol'n, that the condensate on the underside of the lid and sides of the jug is going to be damned concentrated. My thumb turned black once. Of course that was a picnic compared to the time I left the stopcock open on a sep. funnel and poured some trichloromethane, and other assorted goodies into my lap (I was sitting), and took alot of the skin off the baby makers and the left side of my inner thigh.

Fun fact ..... despite ten years of university training, and vast quantities of safety gear and procedures, I was told that chemists still have shortest lifespans of all types of scientists. Remeber that when you're working with chemicals. Accidents don't happen when you get careless, they happen whenever they feel like it. Beleive it or not, I actually LOST an ounce of mercuric chloride in my apartment somewhere. It's a white crystalline powder, is tasteless, looks like sugar, is enough to kill a man a thousand times over in a horrible horrible way, and there's no antidote. I lost it a few years ago, and still can't find it. Somewhere in my cluttered apartment, or maybe with that stuff I put in storage.... I don't know. School was tough and I wasn't getting alot of sleep. I still worry about it. Thank god I don't have children or pets.

Did I mention that after two and a half years I switched to business and law?
 
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Oh, yes, the sugar thing...
Good old days of advanced chemistry club at high school. We did presentations to the elementary students making 'ice cream sticks' out of glucose and h2so4. Also turned copper coins into silver by cleaning in concentrated hn03 and dipping in mercury nitrate solution.

Good tip, Bob! Can you suggest a source of nitric acid too?
 
Battery electrolyte is pretty damned dilute sulfuric, I'd go to an industrial janitorial supply house, and get the toilet/clog remover, or drain remover. Don't ask for sulfuric, or they'll look sideways at you, just look around, you'll find it.

It's always labeled the "house" brand name, but you can tell what it is because it says "contains sulfuric acid", and is very, very heavy. Pure sulphuric acid is one of the very few that is much heavier by volume than water. The H2so4 (getting tired of writing it long form) sold there is >94% pure, a syrup really.

Last time I picked some up it was about ten bucks a liter.

When h2so4 is that pure it does something neat when you mix it half and half with a half cup of sugar, in a ceramic mug you'll never use again, and back away at least five feet, sometimes it starts to sputter after it gets going. (I used to be a chem major). It takes a few minutes to get going, and do it outside, it's stinky like burnt caramel (but not toxic).

If you don't need pure sulphuric, and I don't imagine you do, you'll have to mix it with water. Be careful, as diluting conc. H2so4 is exothermic, and can start the water to boiling and spitting.


Remember, acid to water is what you ought-to, water to acid is never placid.


You could use muriatic acid instead, but not only does h2so4 give you two protons per instead of one, as is the case with HCl, the HCl is going to offgas and rust every peice of iron/steel equipment in your shop.

Also, remember with HCL that no matter how dilute the sol'n, that the condensate on the underside of the lid and sides of the jug is going to be damned concentrated. My thumb turned black once. Of course that was a picnic compared to the time I left the stopcock open on a sep. funnel and poured some trichloromethane, and other assorted goodies into my lap (I was sitting), and took alot of the skin off the baby makers and the left side of my inner thigh.

Fun fact ..... despite ten years of university training, and vast quantities of safety gear and procedures, I was told that chemists still have shortest lifespans of all types of scientists. Remeber that when you're working with chemicals. Accidents don't happen when you get careless, they happen whenever they feel like it. Beleive it or not, I actually LOST an ounce of mercuric chloride in my apartment somewhere. It's a white crystalline powder, is tasteless, looks like sugar, is enough to kill a man a thousand times over in a horrible horrible way, and there's no antidote. I lost it a few years ago, and still can't find it. Somewhere in my cluttered apartment, or maybe with that stuff I put in storage.... I don't know. School was tough and I wasn't getting alot of sleep. I still worry about it. Thank god I don't have children or pets.

Did I mention that after two and a half years I switched to business and law?

Boy, do I hear you. I moved on from the dangers of acids and solvents to the horrors of carcinogens, neurotoxins and radioactive markers. Now, I sell real estate.
 
Good tip, Bob! Can you suggest a source of nitric acid too?

Actually no. That's what I did with the h2so4, it was summer and I was off school and amusing my youngest brother, who was a kid at the time. I mixed the h2so4 with kno3 and distilled in a soft vacuum for the hno3. I had a fume hood and a vacuum pump, I got rid of the hood later on.

I used it to make flash paper and flash cotton for david, who was amused to no end. We did a bunch of science geek stuff that summer, and a good time was had by all.
 
Actually no. That's what I did with the h2so4, it was summer and I was off school and amusing my youngest brother, who was a kid at the time. I mixed the h2so4 with kno3 and distilled in a soft vacuum for the hno3. I had a fume hood and a vacuum pump, I got rid of the hood later on.

I used it to make flash paper and flash cotton for david, who was amused to no end. We did a bunch of science geek stuff that summer, and a good time was had by all.
I used to work in an aircraft mechanical component shop (military base)
One of the many small tasks we did was hyraulic fluid patch analysis. (checking for contamination)
The filter paper we used then, apparentely was made from animal fat. When you burned it, it was almost totally consumed. Very little ash. It could have been used to amuse kids for magic tricks......;)
 
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