confrontations with outfitters while hunting on crown land?

grit said:
any one have issues while hunting on crown land where an outfitter has a concession? seems we are hearing more and more issues in the Yukon over the last few years about such things. As well as air charters not wanting to drop local hunters off at certain lakes as perhaps a an agreement was made with outfitters in certain areas. northern Canada hunting sure has become big business
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In the 47 years of big game hunting I only had one dispute with a guide, not the outfitter. The guide would cross private land which he and I had permission to trespass, I was hunting and he was baiting for whitetail in the forestry. The point is, he would operate his quad at prime time, dusk and dawn only. Well after the first two days I had enough. I kindly asked him not to interfere with my hunt, and that he was spooking the deer from the field back in to the forestry. When he refused to comply I contacted the Game Warden..........short story, problem solved.
I've also witnessed a gong show in a pea field where two guides or outfitters were having a good ole fist fight over who had land rights to hunt geese. They both lost in two ways, both had bloody noses and the farmer kick them off his land.
It appears that there is a "has been" outfitter and a "current" outfitter squabbling at this time on this thread.......typical.:rolleyes:
 
Few points need to be clarified, this thread is bringing out what the internet does best, dissemination of misinformation,

-There is no such thing as an exclusive charter in Canada, and no limits are set; if you're safe, have the appropriate things in place, and have done your paperwork correctly, you can apply for an OC (what many seem to be calling a "charter" here).

-If there is only one operator in an area it's because of economics, not legislation.

-I've never heard of an outiftter buying hours in advance, this is preposterous. There are such things as "minimums", for instance where I fly any call out is a minimum of 2.5 hours to make it worthwhile, even if only an hour is flown, and actually the more frequent customers are usually given an exemption from this not asked to pay ahead even more.

-Any company can take anyone into those areas, I can leave northern BC and fly customers into the Yukon, there is no such thing as an exlcusive charter.

-Any preference for the outfitters in refusing to drop clients at "X" lake because the outfitter is there is not due to contracts or nefarious business dealings, it's because the outfitter is a good customer and will call you a dozen times this year and next. Jim Smith off the street will pay you a single minimum. Usually, people know each other in remote places and it's simply professional courtesy.

-There is really no enforceable reason why an operator should be forced to drop anyone that asks to go to a location such as "X" lake, there. It is up to the air operator where he flies as this is still a free country, and he is NOT in contravention of any Transport Canada regs or laws by declining flights. You can decline to fly passengers just for not liking their jacket, just as this forum can kick users off. It's a free country but we're working hard to change that.

-There will ALWAYS be an operator willing to fly wherever you want- they just may not be starting as close as you like and it could be pricey.
 
Ardent said:
Oh and finally, somebody give me the names of a few of these lakes they're being refused flights to, I'll do my civic duty and provide you a company to contact that will get you in there. I'm afraid there's a lot of hogwash here from a lot of good people.
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i will PM you some locations and i am willing to hear who is willing to fly there ... of course not from far far ....

dont know what hogwash means in english?
 
"Poor information" :) I think there's a case of somebody heard something from somebody else, and the message is completely twisted into the outiftters and aviation companies are evil by the time it hits this forum. :) It's not difficult to get a flight anywhere in Canada, it's never cheap though if it's off airport, but there are tons of operators hungry for money who want to take you places. Happy to help with the company referrals, there's a lot of options.
 
Brian46 said:
he really was telling you he doesn't want you around his hunting area. Learning to read between the line is an aquired skill of dealing with people when your are out hunting.
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actually he is a close friend of my parents who were coming with me, he has simply been led to believe by outfitters in the area given advice is guiding. He invited us to hunt the area for the past two years, just said couldn't give advice, as he was afraid of being charged with something
 
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After the recent allocations conflict between GOABC and residents, this fall could be an interesting one in BC. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be a foreign client coming to BC to hunt this year.

I expect to hear of conflicts over use, and I don't see residents being very considerate of guides this year.
 
Gatehouse said:
After the recent allocations conflict between GOABC and residents, this fall could be an interesting one in BC. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be a foreign client coming to BC to hunt this year.

I expect to hear of conflicts over use, and I don't see residents being very considerate of guides this year.
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no way it can happens. we are making stories in Yukon so I imagine the same in your neck of wood.

lol.
 
surplusshooter said:
actually he is a close friend of my parents who were coming with me, he has simply been led to believe by outfitters in the area given advice is guiding. He invited us to hunt the area for the past two years, just said couldn't give advice, as he was afraid of being charged with something
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It's only considered guiding if he's being compensated and directly involved in the hunting. There's nothing wrong with advice, even game wardens will give you advice where to hunt.
 
Gatehouse said:
After the recent allocations conflict between GOABC and residents, this fall could be an interesting one in BC. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be a foreign client coming to BC to hunt this year.

I expect to hear of conflicts over use, and I don't see residents being very considerate of guides this year.
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My thoughts exactly. The GO's got greedy and ostracized their closest ally. Interesting times ahead.
 
I just read the BC allocation , interesting for sure. The Yukon obviously is quite different with such a small local population. the hunt harvest is published every year for resident and non resident hunters here.
 
I had my first run in ever with a GO a few weeks ago and it wasn't in the bush it was at Sears in Abbotsford.

They were picking up several new mattresses for their camp.

I asked the wife if they were GO's she said yes and immediately started spewing how important it was that they bring money into BC and hunting with a GO is the only way to hunt.

I told her I am a BC resident hunter and I support BC resident hunters especially now that the GO's allotment increases have happened.

Oh man did she ever get pissed off at me she started spewing that the only way to hunt is with a GO I told her that I don't need or want a GO to hunt with because I am fully capable of hunting anywhere in BC without the need for or desire to have a guide.

It was good humour but to say I have lost a lot of respect for GO's over these allotment changes and since this womans spewing = if I have a run in in the bush with a GO I guarantee I will not be backing down.
 
Camp Cook said:
I had my first run in ever with a GO a few weeks ago and it wasn't in the bush it was at Sears in Abbotsford.

They were picking up several new mattresses for their camp.

I asked the wife if they were GO's she said yes and immediately started spewing how important it was that they bring money into BC and hunting with a GO is the only way to hunt.

I told her I am a BC resident hunter and I support BC resident hunters especially now that the GO's allotment increases have happened.

Oh man did she ever get pissed off at me she started spewing that the only way to hunt is with a GO I told her that I don't need or want a GO to hunt with because I am fully capable of hunting anywhere in BC without the need for or desire to have a guide.

It was good humour but to say I have lost a lot of respect for GO's over these allotment changes and since this womans spewing = if I have a run in in the bush with a GO I guarantee I will not be backing down.
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They sound like realtors... no you need me to sell your house. Its impossible to do it without me, you will loose so much money. The paperwork is so intensive I had to go to school for a week to learn how to fill it out.
 
grit said:
I just read the BC allocation , interesting for sure. The Yukon obviously is quite different with such a small local population. the hunt harvest is published every year for resident and non resident hunters here.
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but the quota for GOs is still not released even if you ask ....
 
medvedqc said:
but the quota for GOs is still not released even if you ask ....
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They won't release it via a casual email or phone call, but like with all government agencies, you have to go through the Freedom of Information Act. They probably won't state the individual outfitter's quota, but they should give a total. Sometimes they charge a fee, sometimes not, depending on the info requested.
 
again this year two charter airlines refused to flown locals under the directions given by outfitter to those charter companies ... hope there will an end soon about that.
 
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