Confused on Steyr MA1 / LA1 Legality

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I'm hoping someone can clear this up for me. I recently fell in love with a Steyr M40A1 in my local gun store and had them order in the M9A1 for me (9mm version). When I got it home I realized that it was the L9A1 (longer slide/barrel) that I actually received. The store here called up North Silva who apparently said the M9A1 is prohibited in Canada due to barrel length and we can only get the L series, yet the barrel length for both the M9A1 and M40A1 are listed as being identical on Steyr's site. How is the .40 legal but not the 9mm? I've also found older threads from 2012 where they had the M9A1 in stock, Wanstalls was one that came to mind.

Am I getting the run around here or has something changed regarding these pistols in the last few years?
 
The M9A1 and M40A1 come in prohibited 102mm and restricted 106mm barrel lengths according to its frt entry. The factory barrel is 102mm as standard, but they have been made with 106mm barrels for the canadian market.

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The L9A1 comes in a restricted length 115mm barrel.
 
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That makes way more sense. Is North Silva the only one who can import these? I'm a little confused as to why the M9A1 seemed to be more common a few years ago, now I can't seem to find anyone that carries it.
 
The L9 is better, so be happy! More internal improvements over the M9's that were previously available. The slight increase in length is not noticeable, has better proportion, and you get the front cocking serrations.

You'll most likely get 3-dot sights with a red front dot. Paint that white with some enamel and you're good to go cuz the red dot is pretty useless.

id also recommend you get the delrin striker bushings and steel guide rod from BTguiderods.
 
That makes way more sense. Is North Silva the only one who can import these? I'm a little confused as to why the M9A1 seemed to be more common a few years ago, now I can't seem to find anyone that carries it.

If it has the longer barrel, any import company can import it. The trick is finding one with the canadian legal barrel for import.
 
I have seen both models for sale on here, with legal barrels. My brothers owns the MA1 40 and loves it to death. He says it has a way lower bore axis compared to his Glock 22, much fast too get on target and when you get used to the trapezoid sights you will see why they made them . I myself really like the MA1 model, but have not seen the L model yet !
 
How to tell if a gun is legal:

Go to a gun shop: if it's in the case and the tag doesn't say "Prohib", or "12.6" it's legal - alternately,
ask if they can get you a new one, if they look at you like you grew an extra head, it's Prohib
 
How to tell if a gun is legal:

Go to a gun shop: if it's in the case and the tag doesn't say "Prohib", or "12.6" it's legal - alternately,
ask if they can get you a new one, if they look at you like you grew an extra head, it's Prohib

Pretty sure that is exactly what the OP did, and exactly not what happened.

Ordered one, got another.
 
A one-time special run of 106mm barrels were made for the M40A1 and M9A1 a while back, just to make a batch of the pistols Canada-kosher. They didn't sell very well (which is too bad, they're great guns!), but the 9mm M9A1 sold a lot better than the .40S&W.

You can still find the odd M40A1 new in stores, but the only place you'll likely find an M9A1 is on the EE. Low Round count/unfired ones still turn up there occasionally. It's where I got mine.

I've also found older threads from 2012 where they had the M9A1 in stock, Wanstalls was one that came to mind.

I remember that distinctly because I wanted to buy it, and had made inquiries. It was a typo, they were offering an L9A1 with night sights.
 
That's what I thought, oh well.

I can barely tell the difference between my M40A1 and L9A1. They feel the same in the hand, and other than the L9 being slightly longer in the slide they're pretty much a matched pair... If anything, the L9 is a little smoother because they upgraded the triggers by adding a roll pin.
 
A one-time special run of 106mm barrels were made for the M40A1 and M9A1 a while back, just to make a batch of the pistols Canada-kosher. They didn't sell very well (which is too bad, they're great guns!), but the 9mm M9A1 sold a lot better than the .40S&W.

You can still find the odd M40A1 new in stores, but the only place you'll likely find an M9A1 is on the EE. Low Round count/unfired ones still turn up there occasionally. It's where I got mine.



I remember that distinctly because I wanted to buy it, and had made inquiries. It was a typo, they were offering an L9A1 with night sights.

Yes, the M9A1 longer barrels were a Canadian special. The barrel protruded slightly more from the slide than the standard version.

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My 2 cents on this topic:

The original Steyr M9 came out in 1999. It looks like this:
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It has the trapezoid sights. The characteristics separating it from later models are: a blueish colour, a rounder trigger guard, a proprietary "box"/clip-on system for attaching a light (which is obsolete, as no one makes a light for it anymore. The original lights from 15 years ago are collectors items), and they all have the push-button safety right in front of the trigger guard (I believe they all have it). Some of these guns were imported to Canada. The barrels had to be special run for Canada, as the original design has a 4" barrel. Some have threaded barrels, some just have extended barrels.

Steyr came out with the "S" pistol at about the same time. It is a 3.6" barrel, with the overall size being about on par with a GLOCK 26. I have never seen or heard of a Steyr S or S-A1 pistol, of any calibre, being in Canada.
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In 2004, Steyr came out with a redesigned pistol, the M9-A1, M40-A1, S9-A1, S40-A1. The M9-A1 and M40-A1 were extremely common in Canada for a time, starting in about 2006 and we kept getting them up until about 2009 date codes. I never saw any M357-A1 pistols in Canada, but there were tons of the 9's and the 40's. These all had extended barrels. I have never heard of any M-A1's in Canada with threaded barrels. Unlike the earlier pistols, these ones are characterized by a light gray finish, and a GLOCK-type rail that will work with most lights and lasers. There are some M-A1 pistols have have the push-button safety, but I don't think most (if any) of the ones that came to Canada with the extended barrels had that. When they first started being imported they all had trapezoid sights. Later some had three dot night sights. This is the one I used to own:
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These ones, regrettably, had a lot of problems, and I say that as a person who likes Steyr and their products. Some had the weird loaded-chamber indicator on the breachface, which I personally believe is part of what made ejection irregular. But they had various problems with extraction and ejection. There are ways to fix them, by upgrading various parts and springs - lots of information at SteyrClub on this stuff.

The pistols got the reputation as lemons, that even a big price-drop couldn't overcome. Sales were never that great in the U.S. (and Canada) compared to the striker-fired polymer competition, and then they started to tank altogether. Steyr pulled the pistols from the U.S. market in 2010. Here in Canada we continued to see NIB M-series pistols after that, but they were always something like 2008/2009 date codes, and a price tag in the $500 range (trying to blow out new-old-stock).

New 2010-forward S, M and "C" models (the C is S-size slide and barrel, on an M-size grip) with a redesigned trigger, extractor and ejector started coming into the U.S. at the end of 2010. We never got anything here though. I doubt you will find a Steyr M pistol in Canada with a date code later than 2009. What we got instead was the L-series pistol, a few years later, which does not require a special barrel run for Canada. The L-series have all the upgrades that the other 2010-forward pistols have. I believe these started to come into Canada at the end of 2013. The ones that I have seen here have all had the 3-dot sights, white in the back, red in the front. People don't seem to like the red dot in the front. Some paint it over, some get Mepro-light night sights, so get trapezoid sights (from the U.S., I suppose, or off of an M pistol).

The way you can tell if your pistol has the redesigned trigger, etc. is if it has a roll pin right below the rear sight. No roll pin, old system.
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