Confused Regarding Legalities

Foxer said:
Read it again. It says a shotgun (nonsemi) that can be fired when its overall length is REDUCED - by 'folding' or "telescoping" ... or some other means.

A pistol grip does not fold, telescope, or anything else. So... the restriction does not apply. It's the same as any other stock.

That's the so-called 'loophole'.
Click to expand...

Something about the word "Loophole" really bothers me. So under the same "loophole" logic all firearms that are not Prohibited is due to a loophole in the law that they are allowed??? Which does not make any sense. They are legal because the law ALLOWS them by definition not due to any "Loophole".

Let's just call this the SMD Dlask "legal & non-restricted" sound good or??
 
So under the same "loophole" logic all firearms that are not Prohibited is due to a loophole in the law that they are allowed???
Click to expand...

No. You're right of course in that we probably shouldn't be thinking of it that way, but in this case I suspect those who framed the law INTENDED for all guns under a certain length to be restricted. Their wording did not take into account something. So this firearm is legal.

"Loophole" is probably a bad word to describe it, and probably inaccurate slightly, but 'gap' in the legislation might be more accurate. It's a safe bet those who wrote those laws will smak themselves on the head when they realize they didn't get it right :) but that's pretty typical for them.
 
Foxer said:
No. You're right of course in that we probably shouldn't be thinking of it that way, but in this case I suspect those who framed the law INTENDED for all guns under a certain length to be restricted. Their wording did not take into account something. So this firearm is legal.

"Loophole" is probably a bad word to describe it, and probably inaccurate slightly, but 'gap' in the legislation might be more accurate. It's a safe bet those who wrote those laws will smak themselves on the head when they realize they didn't get it right :) but that's pretty typical for them.
Click to expand...

Good thing that those who wrote the laws are mostly long gone from political power and now with the Conservatives forming the government we have even less to worry about. I believe this ruling is a sign of things to come even if for now with a minority they can't repeal any laws, current RCMP beaurucrats can generally make rulings in our favour with confidence that they will not reap a lashing from superiors.
 
Good thing that those who wrote the laws are mostly long gone from political power and now with the Conservatives forming the government we have even less to worry about.
Click to expand...

Ahhh... well, actually, those laws were written not by gov'ts but by beurocrats. And remember - they're still there. We've had our share of problems with them already.

However - you're right. With the CPC in power there's likely little they can do at the moment.
I believe this ruling is a sign of things to come even if for now with a minority they can't repeal any laws, current RCMP beaurucrats can generally make rulings in our favour with confidence that they will not reap a lashing from superiors.
Click to expand...

This is true. The beurocrats and police are influenced by the gov't of the day, and will tend to follow thier overall wishes. I was personally stunned to see the ruling the way it was laid out - so maybe you're right, and maybe we'll see a few more 'sympathetic' rulings in the future.
 
Foxer said:
........ and maybe we'll see a few more 'sympathetic' rulings in the future.
Click to expand...

But will the rulings be amended later on?
I'm very skeptical about this whole thing since under the very same "loophole", wouldn't the Ithaca Stakeout be non-restricted?
Guess what, they're still classed as restricted.
 
sixty9santa said:
But will the rulings be amended later on?
I'm very skeptical about this whole thing since under the very same "loophole", wouldn't the Ithaca Stakeout be non-restricted?
Guess what, they're still classed as restricted.
Click to expand...

then don't buy one....
 
got mine today, i dont know about anyone else but the only people who seem to be caught up in this legal mumbo jumbo and controversy is fellow gun "enthusiasts".Ive read every post regarding this 870 dlask and it seems like our gun community is its own worst enemy.The gun is legal, either buy it or dont.Arguing about it will raise eyes and make it illegal because everyone is #####ing about how it should be restricted or whatever.fyi im an idiot so im probably talking out of my ass.
 
surreyboy said:
got mine today, i dont know about anyone else but the only people who seem to be caught up in this legal mumbo jumbo and controversy is fellow gun "enthusiasts".Ive read every post regarding this 870 dlask and it seems like our gun community is its own worst enemy.The gun is legal, either buy it or dont.Arguing about it will raise eyes and make it illegal because everyone is #####ing about how it should be restricted or whatever.fyi im an idiot so im probably talking out of my ass.
Click to expand...

By talking about and questioning the laws, we all learn something. The more informed we are, the better.

I was shown something valuable which my own eyes didn't catch. Im glad I chimed in on this topic because now Im just that much smarter than I was the other day. ;)

Topics like this are fair and square. People want to know why some things are the way they are, and why others aren't. Nothing wrong with wanting to be informed, guys.
 
:bangHead:


The National Firearms Association (NFA) has a paper on this very legality.

http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/95/199/

The NFA paper ("The Lupara...") specifically answers this question. I quote...
"The 26" overall length limit converts the firearm to "prohibited weapon" status if the gun arrived at that length by "sawing or cutting" or by substitution of parts."

:sucks:


It ain't rocket science.
 
Last edited:
The NFA paper ("The Lupara...") specifically answers this question. I quote...
"The 26" overall length limit converts the firearm to "prohibited weapon" status if the gun arrived at that length by "sawing or cutting" or by substitution of parts."
Click to expand...

Yeah. Which is why a manufacturer can produce it but we can't just throw a pistol grip on a regular shotgun.

well - not one THAT short anyway :)
 
With all due respect for NFA and Mr Tomlinson, that page is FULL of mistakes.

Only one example:
If the barrel of any shotgun is cut to less than 18" by an individual or a gunsmith, that converts the firearm to "prohibited firearm" status. So does substituting a short barrel less than 18" long for a longer barrel.
Click to expand...
Substituting a short barrel less than 18" manufactured at that specific lenght on a manual repeater shotgun does not make it prohib, assuming the CFC is informed about the change in barrel lenght.

NFA should better modify it or retract that page since there is a lot more misinformation than the given example.
 
ponts said:
then don't buy one....
Click to expand...

Okay......gotta love that attitude......I think you completely missed my point.
Since the Stakeout is factory configured in that manner, shouldn't it now be re-classed as a non-restricted for the very same reason that Dlask's shorty is non-restricted???
I would buy a Stakeout since I don't care if it's restricted or not:rolleyes:
Just trying to apply these "loopholes" to other guns to make other gunnutz happy;)


IIRC, the Stakeout was configured like this from the factory.
 
Last edited:
sixty9santa said:
Okay......gotta love that attitude......I think you completely missed my point.
Since the Stakeout is factory configured in that manner, shouldn't it now be re-classed as a non-restricted for the very same reason that Dlask's shorty is non-restricted???
I would buy a Stakeout since I don't care if it's restricted or not:rolleyes:
Just trying to apply these "loopholes" to other guns to make other gunnutz happy;)


IIRC, the Stakeout was configured like this from the factory.
Click to expand...

Again.......if you doubt the Legality or classification of a Product of one our our SPONSORED PAYING DEALERS on CGN then back off......and STFU......and don't buy one and keep your fear mongering to yourself. AND YES we Canadian Gun Owners are our there own worst enemy as shown with every ASSHAT planting there own seed of doubt publicly on this site regarding the DLASK SMD.
 
Hey NOTHING personal intended. I'm just utterly disappointed and shocked with the reaction of fellow CGN members. WHY CAN'T some CGN members digest this and realize witout a doubt that CURRENTLY this is legal and NON-RESTRICTED. Instead we see nothing but doubt and seeds of disbelief and how does that serve our community? Do we not want anything and everthing possible legalized for use?

I try not to go to gunslingers but I hear that ASSHAT WESTICLE is badmouthing and trashing this on that site too. Thanks god his big fat mouth is gone from here.
 
The reason I started this thread was to try and see how this can be applied to other shotguns. I love the fact that these are non-restricted as do most others as well. Sorry if I came of a bit harsh as well, nothing personal either.
 
sixty9santa said:
The reason I started this thread was to try and see how this can be applied to other shotguns. I love the fact that these are non-restricted as do most others as well. Sorry if I came of a bit harsh as well, nothing personal either.
Click to expand...

yeah group hug :) no worries


we are all on the same team. some really good guys investing there hard earned money and are trying to push the envelope to bring us products like this and planting seeds of doubt publicly may not be in our best interest.
 
ponts said:
I try not to go to gunslingers but I hear that ASSHAT WESTICLE is badmouthing and trashing this on that site too. Thanks god his big fat mouth is gone from here.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that piece of human garbage is better gone.
May he stay there, shave his whatever (while super drunk), masturbate in his own feces after that and post pictures of the whole ritual on his website.
 
Yes the Dlask Super Shorty is Non restricted... We know, Its LEGAL, YAY! GO BUY ONE!.... STOP WORRYING!.
Now with that said.... me and others want to know, what about other shotguns??? like the stakeout for example.

once again I am not bad mouthing the dlask shotgun or its legal status.

I'm only talking about other short manufactured manual action firearms now.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom