Constructive criticism invited

It's probably ammo related but...

1) Did you properly break in and "season" your barrel?

2) What type of rest are you using?

2) Run us through your shooting routine. I mean from the moment you first look through your scope until the time you touch off a round. I'm a terrible shooter myself but I'd be interested to hear it.



season barrel?? have to say no, bipod no swivle with bag rest on back

shooting rutine.. look threw scope breath in aline crosshairs so I can see the target divided into 4 bits of color breath out end of breath stop hold and squease trigger as slow as I can....... Bang f#$@ :)
 
"...can ammo make that big of a difference..." Hi. Yep. With any .22 you have to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo your rifle shoots best. The price of it means nothing.
You shooting off a solid rest? What poundage is the trigger set at? What sights?
You have some excellent groups, but the inconsistency is most like you.

bipod non swive type,11.3 ounce trigger bushnell 3200 elite tac.
 
thanks Ben, but can ammo make that big of a differance,and is this as good as it gets for federal??

I fired 5 types of ammo from my marlin 983s 22 mag before I found 2 that gave me groups worth talking about. CCI Maxi-Mag were garbage in mine, so were the Maxi-Mag +v (terrible "groupings" if you could call them that). The federal premium were also giving me 3" groups at 50 yards. So then I tried the Federal game shok (less expensive and heavier 50gr hp's) and winchester dynapoint 45gr hp's (9.95 a box at walmart.. cheapest of the bunch) and both shot the best..
 
Be vewwy, vewwy quiet...I'm hunting wabbits!

I fired 5 types of ammo from my marlin 983s 22 mag before I found 2 that gave me groups worth talking about. CCI Maxi-Mag were garbage in mine, so were the Maxi-Mag +v (terrible "groupings" if you could call them that). The federal premium were also giving me 3" groups at 50 yards. So then I tried the Federal game shok (less expensive and heavier 50gr hp's) and winchester dynapoint 45gr hp's (9.95 a box at walmart.. cheapest of the bunch) and both shot the best..



Thank you your your input,nice to get help from a fellow nu b It is amazing how much ammo affects the grouping,I would have never thought it would to such a degree,i'm not fogeting the roll I play but it's nice to know there are other factors.
 
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season barrel?? have to say no, bipod no swivle with bag rest on back

shooting rutine.. look threw scope breath in aline crosshairs so I can see the target divided into 4 bits of color breath out end of breath stop hold and squease trigger as slow as I can....... Bang f#$@ :)

It's generally accepted that you will get better accuracy out if your rifle if you properly break it in...

Here's an excellent post made in another thread by Dr. Lector on an easy to follow break in procedure (I edited it a bit because it was in reference to the 10/22, but this barrel break in procedure should be a sticky)

This post is for the guys who want to clean,
break-in and look for the best ammo.

Before installing the barrel,
I suggest you clean the bore with solvent.
That will eliminate the oil.




BREAK-IN
This is the break-in procedure I suggest.
For the break in, use standard velocity or low velocity ammo.
Always start from a completely clean and dry barrel.

For the first 25 shots,
1. After each 5 shots, pass a patch with solvent.
2. Use a worn bronze brass in the leade area (in front of the chamber)
with a movement of back-and-forward
for a total of no more than 8-10 double strokes.
3. Clean with patch and solvent.
Finish with a dry patch.
As I said, do this after each 5 shots, for a total of 25 shots.
That would be a total of 5 cleaning sessions.


Repeat the same procedure for the next 60 shots,
but this time do it every 20 shots.
That would be another 3 cleaning sessions.

I suggest you use a plastic-coated rod of 17 or 20 caliber.
These have their own dedicated threads, so you will need
an adaptor to use regular 22 brushes and jags or whathaveyou.
Be careful not to scratch the chamber or the crown.

FINDING AMMO
You can move now to finding a suitable ammo for your barrel
(yes, you have to do it because nobody else will do it for you).


When testing ammo, as a general good practice,
1. start at 25 yards, as it will make it easier.
2. mark the paper with the type of ammo, distance,
wind, conditions, etc., because you will forget these details.
3. Keep the target paper with all that info (even if
the results of the test will not be satisfactory).
4. Also, before changing ammo, give the barrel a quick cleaning,
5. Allow few shots until the new ammo will “season” the barrel.
Some ammo will do that seasoning in 10 shots, other ammo will need maybe 50 shots.

ETC.....

Regarding your shooting technique:

It sounds OK, but do you test for your natural point of aim? I.E. do you close your eyes once you have your gun on target for a few seconds? Then, when you open your eyes if your body is aligned, your cross hairs should remain on target. This means you do not have to fight misalignment. Having to physically fight misalignment causes inconsistency. If when you open your eyes, you find your crosshairs are off the bull, then your natural point of aim is off and you have to adjust your body position so that your cross hairs stay on target at all times. This can take a few tries to get it right, you may have to adjust your ass on your chair or the placement of your elbows. This should be done after every shot for consistency, especially if using a bolt gun. Mastering natural point of aim is essential for shooting prone off a sling but people often forget about it when shooting from a bench. There are a bunch of other things as well but your natural body alignment is important.

Pay particular attention to your finger placement on the trigger. You never mentioned that.

Also, if you have to use a bipod (a front bag is much better) try folding a towel on the bench and placing the bipod legs on it. You may have to shorten the legs some, but in my experience a hard rest on soft surface provides more consistent accuracy (I.E. forearm on bag or bipod on a towel). A hard rest on hard surface never works for me. I.E. Bipod or forearm rested directly on wood of whatever your bench is made of.

Good Luck.
 
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I've been shooting for long time and lately I got back into 22's after shooting center fires (308 mostly) and I finding out that shooting the 22 can be frustrating. Like everyone said before me, there a lot to try in ways of ammo and I've tried about 20 different brands without getting into the high dollar types and the best for my rifles ( Winchester Wildcat & R-55 Benchmark) is SK Std + .I'm also relearning to be consistent, same position, cheek weld, trigger control..etc
Here's what happens when everything come together..not every shot!!!
With my Benchmark and Weaver T36 plus SK Std+
Bob
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Thanks Bobv

Nice picture, I have had 3 shots in the same hole then the nex 2 decide to go of on there own:( . I could get pictures like your all the time but I would have to use photoshop:redface: I'm supprised that no one mentioned parallax
it's a bit of an enigma with me . My scope is a Bushnell 3200 elite tactical 15X
with parallax ajustment but from what I have read the ajustment numbers are a guide, you can tweek it to gain accuracy. so many things to tweek and be aware of and that's it's charm ,I quite like it.:)
 
Yes it was shot at 50 yards from a bench with front rest and rear bag..and a lot of luck;) as mentioned this is one group out of whole bunch. There are so many things you have no control over, like the wind etc but once in while it all works out:cool:
Bob
 
Couple Things

A couple things to check,

1) When was the last time your barrel was cleaned with lead remover? Have you had the gun since new and know how many shots have been through it? I had a Moddberg 44US that was a club gun and it shot terrible, 2 shots here one over there 2 next to each other. It took me 4-5 hours to clean it so the patches did not come out blue after using the lead remover.

2) Does the firing pin strike with the same strength each time? Check your shells and see if there is any difference, it could be your striker spring is worn and not giving a consistent strike.

3) How is your shooting with other rifles? Do you have anything you can benchmark your shooting off of?

Just some thoughts. :)

TL
 
Could very well be my Ruger 10/22 target you've posted. In my case I do not believe it is the gun. That's about as well as I can shoot from a shooting stick or a sand bag at 50 yards on a good day. If it is not the trigger, as one fellow suggested, then I would try an even more stable shooing position to verify the gun. Constructively, I don't think it's your gun or the ammo at this point. :)
 
Thanks thunderbold, it's a new rifle,I cleaned it well when I first got it and clean it after every shoting session.I have no experiance with other rifles..no benck mark.I'll check the fireing pin, I don't think I shot that badly it's not that uncoman to get 3 shots of in the same hole then a couple of wacho shots.
I'm still leading toward parallax as being the prob but every one hear has given me quite abit to digest and it is most appreciated.
As has been pointed out by many Woodlotower it seems to be me not the rifle.
 
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