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I went to the range today and loaned out my BRNO 375 HH. Before I knew it he had thrown one round in the chamber and closed the bolt. Now it will not extract the shells.
True or False
Feeding one round in without letting the bolt picking it from the mag, breaks the extractor?
Nothing appears to be broken though.
Is this going to be a big dollar fix?
 
I have no idea about the BRNO.

However it seems like a piss poor design if it breaks over something this simple.

I know a friend who loaded his Lee Enfields directly into the chamber (forgot his mag) and he had no issues extracting. They are CRF.
 
Does it look bent? If its bent or even broken a new extractor is not expensive or difficult.

Some CRF extractors are in fact bevelled so that if a cartirdge is hand-fed or 'push-fed' without using the mag into the chamber the extractor will still snap over the rim when forced. I have done this to a Mauser 98 year ago befire I knew better and seen people do it to older CZ ZKK's without lasting damage. Its not ideal but probably shouldn't cause permanent damage if done infrequently.
 
blasted_saber said:
I have no idea about the BRNO.

However it seems like a piss poor design if it breaks over something this simple.

I know a friend who loaded his Lee Enfields directly into the chamber (forgot his mag) and he had no issues extracting. They are CRF.
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I heard a guy with a Parker Hale tell that story last year at a range. I don't know if its true or not.
I do know my rifle isnt working right.

Now its just a matter of why, so it doesn't happen again and how much is this going to cost ?
 
kayaker1 said:
Does it look bent? If its bent or even broken a new extractor is not expensive or difficult.

Some CRF extractors are in fact bevelled so that if a cartirdge is hand-fed or 'push-fed' without using the mag into the chamber the extractor will still snap over the rim when forced. I have done this to a Mauser 98 year ago befire I knew better and seen people do it to older CZ ZKK's without lasting damage. Its not ideal but probably shouldn't cause permanent damage if done infrequently.
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It doesn't appear to be bent
 
What shape is the ejector blade in?

Repeatedly removing unfired cartridges can peen or break the standing ejector after a bit of time especially if done with force.
 
Nipigon Jack said:
How does extracting unfired brass break a blade?
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A loaded round can weigh 2 to 3 times as much as an empty casing. Overly energetic removal of unfired rounds can cause damage if the shooter is not careful. (The safest way to eject an unfired case in a CRF rifle is to pull the bolt back slowly and just "roll" the rifle over towards the ejection port and let the cartridge fall into your hand.)

If you don't see an ejection blade remove the bolt and see if it is just stuck or if it - or a spring - is broken. You may have to remove the barreled action from the stock to have a good look.
 
'Boo said:
A loaded round can weigh 2 to 3 times as much as an empty casing. Overly energetic removal of unfired rounds can cause damage if the shooter is not careful. (The safest way to eject an unfired case in a CRF rifle is to pull the bolt back slowly and just "roll" the rifle over towards the ejection port and let the cartridge fall into your hand.)

If you don't see an ejection blade remove the bolt and see if it is just stuck or if it - or a spring - is broken. You may have to remove the barreled action from the stock to have a good look.
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Thanks Boo. I'll have another closer look in the morning. Learn something new every day
 
blasted_saber said:
I know a friend who loaded his Lee Enfields directly into the chamber (forgot his mag) and he had no issues extracting. They are CRF.
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No, they are not.

Nipigon Jack said:
Well it must be broken as I do not see a blade. I see a slot where one might be located, but it's missing.
How does extracting unfired brass break a blade?
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On some rifles the added force of cycling a loaded round through the action (repeatedly) will bend or break the ejector blade. Takes quite a few repetitions but it can happen. I've heard of it when guys manufacture dummy rounds in a heavy caliber (the example I heard of was empty cases with 400gr bullets in a 416 Rigby and a Ruger M77 RSM) and repeated dry firing and cycling causes premature wear to the ejector and break it. It's possible to happen with any blade style ejector.
 
Just for the hell of it I just weighed an empty .375 H&H case and it tipped the scales at ~240 grains. A loaded round with a 300 grain bullet was ~620 grains. So, in this case, the loaded round was approximately 2.6 times heavier than an empty casing.
 
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