Yes, that is what I got, on your reommendation. I removed the parkerizing and blued it with Mark Lee Express Blue and it came out quite well.
The export ban ITAR is REALLY annoying. I'd love to have a HB on mine.
Converting Smith and Wesson Model 10 HB to 106mm Restricted?
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Yes, that is what I got, on your reommendation. I removed the parkerizing and blued it with Mark Lee Express Blue and it came out quite well.
The export ban ITAR is REALLY annoying. I'd love to have a HB on mine.
I had the same problem with a Model 10 I got off the EE. At some point, presumably circa Bill C-68, someone apparently had a gunsmith cut the original 4" barrel back just behind the front sght and silver-solder the end of another barrel he had on hand onto it to bring it over the ridiculous 105mm limit !!! Actually did a pretty decent job but I could see that although the grooves were lined up, it seemed a bit of SS had remained in the grooves so it didn't shoot all that well, although I'll admit I was (and am) rather out of practice and it could partly have been me! Anyway, I got a 5" .38 S&W barrel from Tradex and had Rusty Wood install it ($200) Someone here (bearhunter? Jethunter?) said those barrels are actually bored .357 and it seems this is correct.
However, after this I noticed to my surprise that Numrich/GunParts actually had Model 10 HB and regular barrels in 4.25", presumably from some small production run in the past. Problem is, they won't export them, although it might be worth checking with IRG or Prohpet River or someone to see if they could get one, if they are still available.
Just checked- yes, they have 4.125" HB for $81.25. Link here.
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Not sure how legal that barrel modification sounds lol.
Those barrels are precisely the type I am looking for. But they are still prohib aren't they? 4.125 is just below the 105mm minimum at 104.775.
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Could be. I didn't "do the math." They also have 4.25" in some styles if you check their website. I think my Ruger SR9 barrel measures 105.7mm. I'm scared to polish the muzzle!
I suppose if you could find an old 6 or 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel, you could have a gunsmith cut it back and mill in the front sight notch and end up with a pretty decent immitation of the original Model 10 barrel. In Mexico, there would be no problem having something like this done up at a reasonable price. Another option would be to use an old K-22 barrel and sleeve it, another thing that having the Mexicans do would be reasonably cheap. But how do you get it back here? For that, you'd be on your own. There is no "system" in Mexico for sending gun parts to Canada nor would they even be interested in thinking one up.
The actual work would be inexpensive in Mexico but getting it from there to Canada would be costly, risky, and all on you. I saw a Model 10 Heavy Barrel that had been converted into a make-shift Model 15 with the addition of the adjustable rear sight and the ramp front sight installed on the original H.B. that was done so well I had to look at it for a while to figure out what the heck I was holding onto.
Say 15 years ago -- before Mexican gunsmiths had perfected "remarking" serial numbers and caliber designations and model numbers to the point that even I couldn't tell a remark from an original -- we "imported" all the Model 14 barrels we could find off of Gun Broker and places like that to rebarrel Model 19's and register them. We had to cut a bit off the barrel extension to match the longer Model 19 cylinder and re-throat the things but that was not a problem. But when the remarking craze took over, we rarely did that anymore. I do have a photo of an example of a 2.5 inch nickle plated Model 19 that was rebarreled using an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel into a long-barrel, round butt P.P.C. gun (still called today "The Silver Menace"), so you just have to get the barrels.
Many Heavy Barrel K-22 barrels -- especially the Full Lug versions in the 4 inch length -- were drilled out and relined with .358 bore liners to make up 4-inch Full-lug Model 19's that were remarked to .38 Special and registered as such. Neat, neat guns (I wish I had one) but I have no actual photos of one. I will have to try to get one, as of course, I know where they were made up.
Photo:
The Silver Menace. A Model 19 2.5 inch roundbutt nickled with an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel cut to fit the Model 19 cylinder. Deadly 50-yard gun. Mexican Practical Shooting/PPC rules allow any barrel length up to 10 inches if you want to try to draw it.
The actual work would be inexpensive in Mexico but getting it from there to Canada would be costly, risky, and all on you. I saw a Model 10 Heavy Barrel that had been converted into a make-shift Model 15 with the addition of the adjustable rear sight and the ramp front sight installed on the original H.B. that was done so well I had to look at it for a while to figure out what the heck I was holding onto.
Say 15 years ago -- before Mexican gunsmiths had perfected "remarking" serial numbers and caliber designations and model numbers to the point that even I couldn't tell a remark from an original -- we "imported" all the Model 14 barrels we could find off of Gun Broker and places like that to rebarrel Model 19's and register them. We had to cut a bit off the barrel extension to match the longer Model 19 cylinder and re-throat the things but that was not a problem. But when the remarking craze took over, we rarely did that anymore. I do have a photo of an example of a 2.5 inch nickle plated Model 19 that was rebarreled using an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel into a long-barrel, round butt P.P.C. gun (still called today "The Silver Menace"), so you just have to get the barrels.
Many Heavy Barrel K-22 barrels -- especially the Full Lug versions in the 4 inch length -- were drilled out and relined with .358 bore liners to make up 4-inch Full-lug Model 19's that were remarked to .38 Special and registered as such. Neat, neat guns (I wish I had one) but I have no actual photos of one. I will have to try to get one, as of course, I know where they were made up.
Photo:
The Silver Menace. A Model 19 2.5 inch roundbutt nickled with an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel cut to fit the Model 19 cylinder. Deadly 50-yard gun. Mexican Practical Shooting/PPC rules allow any barrel length up to 10 inches if you want to try to draw it.
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I suppose if you could find an old 6 or 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel, you could have a gunsmith cut it back and mill in the front sight notch and end up with a pretty decent immitation of the original Model 10 barrel. In Mexico, there would be no problem having something like this done up at a reasonable price. Another option would be to use an old K-22 barrel and sleeve it, another thing that having the Mexicans do would be reasonably cheap. But how do you get it back here? For that, you'd be on your own. There is no "system" in Mexico for sending gun parts to Canada nor would they even be interested in thinking one up.
The actual work would be inexpensive in Mexico but getting it from there to Canada would be costly, risky, and all on you. I saw a Model 10 Heavy Barrel that had been converted into a make-shift Model 15 with the addition of the adjustable rear sight and the ramp front sight installed on the original H.B. that was done so well I had to look at it for a while to figure out what the heck I was holding onto.
Say 15 years ago -- before Mexican gunsmiths had perfected "remarking" serial numbers and caliber designations and model numbers to the point that even I couldn't tell a remark from an original -- we "imported" all the Model 14 barrels we could find off of Gun Broker and places like that to rebarrel Model 19's and register them. We had to cut a bit off the barrel extension to match the longer Model 19 cylinder and re-throat the things but that was not a problem. But when the remarking craze took over, we rarely did that anymore. I do have a photo of an example of a 2.5 inch nickle plated Model 19 that was rebarreled using an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel into a long-barrel, round butt P.P.C. gun (still called today "The Silver Menace"), so you just have to get the barrels.
Many Heavy Barrel K-22 barrels -- especially the Full Lug versions in the 4 inch length -- were drilled out and relined with .358 bore liners to make up 4-inch Full-lug Model 19's that were remarked to .38 Special and registered as such. Neat, neat guns (I wish I had one) but I have no actual photos of one. I will have to try to get one, as of course, I know where they were made up.
Photo:
The Silver Menace. A Model 19 2.5 inch roundbutt nickled with an 8 3/8 inch K-38 barrel cut to fit the Model 19 cylinder. Deadly 50-yard gun. Mexican Practical Shooting/PPC rules allow any barrel length up to 10 inches if you want to try to draw it.
That's a beautiful piece you have there. It is so interesting to see the adaptations Mexicans have made to accommodate the .38 special requirements. I actually may have a way to bring a barrel back. I will PM you.
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I had the same problem with a Model 10 I got off the EE. At some point, presumably circa Bill C-68, someone apparently had a gunsmith cut the original 4" barrel back just behind the front sght and silver-solder the end of another barrel he had on hand onto it to bring it over the ridiculous 105mm limit !!! Actually did a pretty decent job but I could see that although the grooves were lined up, it seemed a bit of SS had remained in the grooves so it didn't shoot all that well, although I'll admit I was (and am) rather out of practice and it could partly have been me! Anyway, I got a 5" .38 S&W barrel from Tradex and had Rusty Wood install it ($200
However, after this I noticed to my surprise that Numrich/GunParts actually had Model 10 HB and regular barrels in 4.25", presumably from some small production run in the past. Problem is, they won't export them, although it might be worth checking with IRG or Prohpet River or someone to see if they could get one, if they are still available.
Just checked- yes, they have 4.125" HB for $81.25. Link here.
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Min legal bbl length is 4.17-longer than 4.125 by .045"or 1.145mm. Almost certainly will not pass verification.
That is a real nice job on that.
I have not bothered to try refinish one.
Many yrs ago ,I bought a Colt revolver that some one had chopped up to make a fast draw rig, for get the model, large frame 38.
I was a sweet gun, but the barrel was chopped to 2 in, no sight.
Another smith was looking at it and suggested that he had a blank that would work, so what the hell.
he pulled a savage 38 cal rifle barrel out of the pile and we chop to 8 in and he threaded , turn to a bull barrel and installed it.
no sights left, so he mounted a scope I had in stock.
It shot like a laser, so good, I never got the gun back to try myself, he just bought the thing.
I have not bothered to try refinish one.
Many yrs ago ,I bought a Colt revolver that some one had chopped up to make a fast draw rig, for get the model, large frame 38.
I was a sweet gun, but the barrel was chopped to 2 in, no sight.
Another smith was looking at it and suggested that he had a blank that would work, so what the hell.
he pulled a savage 38 cal rifle barrel out of the pile and we chop to 8 in and he threaded , turn to a bull barrel and installed it.
no sights left, so he mounted a scope I had in stock.
It shot like a laser, so good, I never got the gun back to try myself, he just bought the thing.
Thanks. It was my first try with the Mark Lee stuff, which I got through Henry at Budget Shooter Supply. They recommend 6-10 applications and I think the barrel was 7. As I recall, after removing the parking, I did a final polish with black emery on a buffing wheel.
I looked into doing this with a model 13 when Murray Charlton was still working. I gave it up due to the cost. It was a couple of years ago but Western Gun Parts did have model 14 heavy barrels that could be cut down. Problem was the barrel cost $250, plus cutting, plus sight install and bluing. Murray would have done it had I decided to proceed but he didn’t think the cost was worth it.
I still haven’t given up though. I’d really like to have a fixed sight .357 with the shortest legal barrel. I did manage to score a 6” barrel from a Ruger Security Six. Problem is finding a Ruger Service Six in Canada with an owner that’s willing to go through the hassle of getting it customized and reclassified. I’m thinking that my best route, and likely yours as well, is to source everything in the US and get it customized there prior to importing. I suppose then that the problem is finding an importer with FFL that’s willing to send it to the gunsmith on your behalf. Aargh! Why does no one make a fixed sight revolver with 4.2” barrel?
I still haven’t given up though. I’d really like to have a fixed sight .357 with the shortest legal barrel. I did manage to score a 6” barrel from a Ruger Security Six. Problem is finding a Ruger Service Six in Canada with an owner that’s willing to go through the hassle of getting it customized and reclassified. I’m thinking that my best route, and likely yours as well, is to source everything in the US and get it customized there prior to importing. I suppose then that the problem is finding an importer with FFL that’s willing to send it to the gunsmith on your behalf. Aargh! Why does no one make a fixed sight revolver with 4.2” barrel?
I don't really understand why a fixed sight, granted , I never change mine, once set, and a couple 9mm are fixed sight What about taking the adj sight off, make a solid one and just screwing it down in place of the adjustable sight? should be simple with some tools ? Lots of security six's around , I had a nice snubnose .
Mind you you still have the -1/4' problem to deal with.
Mind you you still have the -1/4' problem to deal with.
Well, going with a Security Six would make it a lot easier. I like simple. Kind of my idea of the ultimate combat revolver. Purely academic in Canada of course. I mean, it’s interesting to me that most revolvers These days come with adjustable target sights when most semis only come with fixed. Why? I’m not going for an accurate rig, but rather a practical one. I prefer the aesthetics of fixed sights as well.
