Convince Me Which Caliber to go With

What is a game shot? Is this what you do, Chuck? 500 to 1000 rounds of 22 RF a day?

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Yes Russel Man. You are obviously from the city. I’ve easily burned through two bricks of 22LR in a day.

I used to get paid to do it as a matter of fact.

Lots of people go through a pile of 22LR ammo shooting gophers. Just not so much in Calgary.
 
I’m glad that Hoyt mentioned target panic; which is in way a different mind of flinch or something a lot like it. In many cases both can traced back to shooting from a bench too much. Guys will endlessly work on loads, often in spite of hunting in circumstances where mechanical accuracy is practically meaningless. A rifle will never hit you harder than it does on a bench, and people push too far and might develope a flinch. Then they go hunting and are confronted by moving crosshairs and target panic sets in. Target panic, is in simple terms the fear of missing. The guy will take a jerk on the trigger when it seems possible and miss by feet. He’s so scared of missing that he can’t hit anything. The bench has taught him that crosshairs don’t move and he can’t adapt.
I agree with this.
My shooting skills did not improve on the bench and I stopped using a gun range many years ago favoring crown land where it is easier to simulate hunting conditions.
Yes we set up a table and chairs for a shooting bench but we also take lots of shots from various field positions and terrain to simulate actual shots in the field.
As far as a flinch goes..... I think when i first fired my dad's .303 it was apprehensive and that is probably the flinch people speak of. I quickly found out that it wasn't so bad and just leaned into it. The brass buttplate wasn't much fun and after putting it in a proper stock with a rubber pad, recoil wasn't an issue for little ol me. (35 years ago)
When i bought my first 7mm rem mag, it was a winchester classic sporter with the boss shooting system muzzle brake/tuner. I definately developed a flinch or maybe it was just that apprehension setting in again..... not from the recoil ..... no, that wasn;t the issue. It ws the ungodly back blast from that boss unit on the end of the barrel. I once fired it off the hood of my buddy's truck at a 500M target. The deflection of the muzzle blast off the windshield a couple feet away, felt like i'd been wacked in the side of the head LOL Even with hearing protection I felt it and it was no fun.
I sold that rifle, aquired the ruger m77 mkII in the same caliber, slapped a limbsaver pad on her and never looked back :ROFLMAO:
 
Yes Russel Man. You are obviously from the city. I’ve easily burned through two bricks of 22LR in a day.

I used to get paid to do it as a matter of fact.

Lots of people go through a pile of 22LR ammo shooting gophers. Just not so much in Calgary.
Wow Chuck... you think I'm from the city just because I asked a question? And then you only answer one?
No need to get your underwear wadded up...
Two bricks a day, you say? Do they count rounds differently in Pincher Creek?
Shot a lot of 22 RF in a day as well, but obviously much less pray and spray.

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Wow Chuck... you think I'm from the city just because I asked a question? And then you only answer one?
No need to get your underwear wadded up...
Two bricks a day, you say?
Shot a lot of 22 RF in a day as well, but obviously much less pray and spray.

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No spray and pray Russel Man. Your context isn’t everyone else’s.
 
Sure Chuck... Sure...

Don't worry about it?

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Quit calling out people for stuff you can’t or don’t do. Just because you don’t or can’t doesn’t mean someone else can’t or doesn’t. Are you seriously questioning that 500 to 1000 rounds on gophers in a day isn’t possible? Dude. Give your head a shake.

How many rounds of 223 go down range in a day on an organized prairie dog shoot?

Not to mention you questioning whether or not that helps shooting big game.
 
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Quit calling out people for stuff you can’t or don’t do. Just because you don’t or can’t doesn’t mean someone else can’t or doesn’t. Are you seriously questioning that 500 to 1000 rounds on gophers in a day isn’t possible? Dude. Give your head a shake.

How many rounds of 223 go down range in a day on a prairie dog gathering?

Not to mention you questioning whether or not that helps shooting big game.
Chuck... I said don't worry about it. You obviously are.

Can't or don't? Obviously make more hits, because I don't need 2000 rounds...a day...
A prairie dog gathering, here in Calgary, is more than one shooter? Or it wouldn't be a gathering? Unless you're talking about the Prairie Dogs gathering? But they don't shoot?

Wasn't questioning whether it helps or not... was questioning a fella shooting a round every 15 seconds for 8 hours straight, nonstop. That really does sound like pray and spray? The 1000 round thing is much better... a shot every 30 seconds for 8 hours straight, nonstop... Serious questions indeed.


Now... don't worry about it?

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So now it’s 2000 rounds a day? Lol.

Where did that come from? Your backside I suppose.

Just had my hunting partner call on an unrelated family matter. So I said hey. Have you ever shot a couple of bricks of 22 rounds on gophers in a day? He laughed and asked why I was asking. I said that someone is calling bs on it.

His first question to me was: Where is this fool from? The city? I told him to guess which one. He got it first try. 😂
 
So now it’s 2000 rounds a day? Lol.

Where did that come from? Your backside I suppose.

Just had my hunting partner call on an unrelated family matter. So I said hey. Have you ever shot a couple of bricks of 22 rounds on gophers in a day? He laughed and asked why I was asking. I said that someone is calling bs on it.

His first question to me was: Where is this fool from? The city? I told him to guess which one. He got it first try. 😂
Why are you so worried about this?
So it is a shot every 30 seconds for 8 hours straight, nonstop? Thanks for clearing that up. And that isn't spray and pray? Fool indeed.
You do you, and I'll shoot better with far less ammo, because volume really shouldn't be the name of the game, should it?
Your hunting partner knows where I'm from? That's weird? Is he a Townie like you? All hat and no ranch, like you?
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And anyone that thinks you can’t completely shoot out a field
Why are you so worried about this?
So it is a shot every 30 seconds for 8 hours straight, nonstop? Thanks for clearing that up. And that isn't spray and pray? Fool indeed.
You do you, and I'll shoot better with far less ammo, because volume really shouldn't be the name of the game, should it?
Your hunting partner knows where I'm from? That's weird?
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It is when it’s part of your job. Every 30 seconds? Is your arm broken? 😂
 
Oh Chuck.
Stop worrying about it.
If your job is spray and pray, then have at it.
You should be better at math, shouldn't you?
Just PM me if you're having difficulty. You've clogged up this thread enough already.
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Oh Chuck.
Stop worrying about it.
If your job is spray and pray, then have at it.
You should be better at math, shouldn't you?
Just PM me if you're having difficulty. You've clogged up this thread enough already.
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You poor victim. No, my math is fine Russell 2000. I’m just wondering how you struggle with a rifle so badly.
 
Amazing that that is even possible. Imagine if your ammunition was free and you were being paid to do it. Willy Wonka stuff right there.
 
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Looking to replace one of my current rifles, a T3X Lite .308, to get into a setup that will be more suitable for longer range shooting and mountain hunting.

In practice, I'd like to shoot 600-700 yards, hunting would probably be a more realistic max around 500 yards. The ideal rifle would be fairly light (6-7lbs bare rifle would be reasonable), I'm not partial to any caliber, really just one that's not going to break the bank to shoot, and is readily available.

In terms of price, it would be ideal if the rifle itself were under $1500, probably $2000 max. I know this will be the limiting factor.

Give me a good reason why a particular caliber would be better than others.
A 7 mm of some variety. Better external ballistics with less recoil than a 30 cal with enough bullet weight and energy for elk sized game. 280 AI, 7 RM, 7 PRC, 7 Backcountry and more options if you reload. Personally, I have a 6.5 PRC that is 7 lbs 3 oz scoped and slinged for a mountain rifle. I would take an elk with it, but consider it a little light for that size of game.

Recoil affects everyone. It is a physical property and everyone shoots better (or at least as accurately with less effort) with a lighter recoiling gun.Follow through matters, especially so you can spot your own impact and get back on target for further shots as needed. Don’t forget that recoil affects your rifle too. More recoil increases the chance that your rifle action shifts slightly in its stock, loosens its action screws etc. Even if it doesn’t make you flinch, it is harder to consistently hit a target with a heavier recoiling rifle. I shoot my 300 PRC very well, but it is 9.5 lbs and I need to pay attention to my technique and natural point of aim. It doesn’t bother me to shoot it (and I don’t flinch) without a brake, but I shoot more accurately with it. Why is that if it’s not recoil? My 6.5 PRC barrel on the same rifle is a pussycat.

A heavy for caliber 7 mm bullet (160 gr +) at 2800+ fps is a great across the course option for NA game.
 
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