Cooey 12 gauge questions. Info needed

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I had some time kill while waiting for my son so I decided to drop by the gunsmith and pick up some ammo and supplies. I always make it a point to pick up a box of .22, 9mm and .303 on each visit even if I am not buying anything else because it important to support a local business! Anyways, while visiting I struck up a conversation with the gun smith and another customer (both older gents in their 60s with me being in my 40s) about Cooey shotguns.

I owned a couple of Cooey 84s and they are the cheapest firearms in my collection. I recently sold a 3rd one which I now regret because I bought these Cooeys over a span of 3 years for $50 each. The two that I have left are in good shape and I use them for trap. I recently patterned a few of my shotguns at 25 and 50 yards and discovered that the old Cooeys patterns best. They have 30" barrels with fixed chokes. I ran my Mossberg with a 25" barrel and removable chokes, A5 with a 30" barrel and a poly, model 12 with 28" barrel and a fixed and Silver Pigion with 28" barrels and removables, against them at the range and the Cooeys consistantly patterned better which is why they are now my trap guns. I mentioned this to the old guys and the gunsmith matter of factly pointed out that the choke on the old Cooeys are further up in the barrel, tappers down and becomes a straight barrel for the remaining half.

Why haven't I noticed this before? When I returned home, I measured the ID with a bore mic and yes, about 10" from the receiver or 8" from the forcing cone is where the choke lives. My questions are 1, am I the only one who is finding that these old shotguns are patterning better? 2, are all Cooey shotguns designed this was or was it just specific years, models, etc.? because I would not mind picking up a few more. 3, where could I find more information about this choke design? There is nothing on the internet about this design. 4, are there any other shotguns with this style of choke design?

Because of cost and convience for the user, I could see why most companies have gone with an adjustable or removable choke design but if only I could find a Cooey 84 in Mod and I/M, I will be set! Probily too expensive to have something like that in an O/U when running two different chokes for skeet but one could dream! Any info is appreciated. Thanks
 
All Cooeys had a "swaged" choke and I believe came in only full choke so you will have a hard time finding a modified or improved cylinder. The choke was not in front of the receiver. It was at the muzzle and tapered for a fair ways back toward the receiver. There is no shotgun that has a choke mid barrel which is why you can't find any information on such a choke. If you are measuring choke 8" from the forcing cone then something is wrong with your measuring system. As far as a swaged choke, it was the cheapest way to make a choke which is why they were on inexpensive guns.
 
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I have had a bunch of 84's. Various years. I cut them down to 20 inch barrels to remove the chokes (for slug shooting). They are a nice compact truck gun.
Regardless of my use, all of the choke is located in the last six inches of the barrel. Your gunsmiths comments are pretty questionable.
I will agree that early 84s have a very tight pattern, with out a doubt. I have a Baikal single that is very tight too. Both of these singles are full chokes and they pattern much better than, say, a full Remchoke. However the choke is in the end of the barrel.
 
"about 10" from the receiver or 8" from the forcing cone is where the choke lives" ??????????

Give me a break ! I had a whole bunch typed + deleted it all. This just ain't worth it. Gotta be trolling for attention !
 
I certainly would not let that smith touch my shotguns . Yes they are all swaged I to have mentioned this on a few Cooey choke questions on this form . People get all warm over cooey's they were barn yard guns that's it nothing special . That is not saying they don't get the job done in the day you could have bought a H&R topper it was many times better quality and also more money that is why there are more cooey's around . Also a few Winchester model 37's would show up in Canada from the US nothing to do with Cooey . 10 times the gun machined chokes very nice guns I have and shoot these guns nice smooth bores they also were pricey at the time
 
I certainly would not let that smith touch my shotguns . Yes they are all swaged I to have mentioned this on a few Cooey choke questions on this form . People get all warm over cooey's they were barn yard guns that's it nothing special . That is not saying they don't get the job done in the day you could have bought a H&R topper it was many times better quality and also more money that is why there are more cooey's around . Also a few Winchester model 37's would show up in Canada from the US nothing to do with Cooey . 10 times the gun machined chokes very nice guns I have and shoot these guns nice smooth bores they also were pricey at the time

Yah... Under normal circumstances, I would have agreed that the gunsmith was a bit out there and had no clue what he was talking about but I kept an open mind and being a Tool and Die Maker I mic the ID. I have a 10" bore mic and measured it from the muzzle first. It was a straight bore. Then I measured it from the other end and the barrel begins to tapper at around 8". It's not a budge and it shoots extremely well, I just can't explain it. I want to find out and learn a bit more. Thanks for your comments. And to those who have nothing but negative things to say, be civil and don't ruin it for those of us who want to learn.
 
One thing I can say is that from the mid 80's to early/mid 90's Remington had barrels on their Trap shotguns that employed a 0.745 overbored barrel that tapered back down to 0.729 aprox 4.5" from the muzzle. The bore measures 0.729 for about an inch then is threaded for standard RemChokes. Running a cylinder choke in these barrel will still give a guy a pattern equivalent to another gun with a modified choke due to the "built in" +/-0.015" of constriction.
 
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