Cooey 82 clarification

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Very often one sees Cooey model 82's described as military trainers even when the gun was not an actual trainer. The model 82 was made for military order. However, there were also many produced for civilian purchase. There was also a version that had the "whale Belly" type non full wood stock. But for those who are looking for a rifle that was produced for military contract, it will have the broad arrow marking on the breech as well as an inspectors number. The broad arrow should also be on the flat of the bolt handle. There may also be the marking on the stock and the bottom of the pistol grip will have a serial number. If the rifle does not have these markings it is not a military trainer. It is the civilian version and generally do not command the same value.
 
Nope. If you know about Cooeys then I guess it's useless information. But if you are not that versed in them ,and are looking for a trainer to add to or start a collection, then maybe the information will be helpful before buying one that is described as a trainer when it is not. Just because an 82 is full wood does not make it a trainer. One often says the buyer (or seller) should do his/her homework. Well, if they google and come across this thread, then I guess they have done some of their homework like is so often suggested on here. If it is useless information because everyone is so well versed, then I apologize. Couldn't help it.
 
Thanks gunsaholic! While the thread didnt provide me with info I didnt already know, I appreciate you taking the time to start the thread. I've been known to stock pile on Cooey's of every flavour. I always find it funny when I see "rare cooey" for sale for a ridiculous sum of cash, only to see this "rare gem" as a the same common Cooey 3 million other Canadians own
 
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as a fella that has a 82 trainer and its been heavily used i would love to get my hands on a non trainer in mint condition.
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That just shows some character which is befitting of an actual trainer. But yes, some were certainly used more than others. Another thing that just came to mind is some trainers had the typical bluing while some had a parkerized type finish to the barrel and bands. I had 2 (still have 1) that had the parkerized finish. They were within 200 digits of each other by the number on the pistol grip. I've also seen 2 or 3 others with the parkerized finish but I don't know what serial numbers they had.

Yes 1963beretta, there are a lot of "rare" Cooeys out there. Mind you some are getting rare but not every second one, lol. Part of the reason for this thread on clarification is because there are a few 82's that have been listed recently as military trainers when in fact they are not. No big deal maybe but it might be to the person looking for their first trainer only to find out afterward that what they bought was a civilian version instead of a trainer. Perhaps they would have held off until the "real thing" came along if they knew the difference, especially if they paid a trainer price.
 
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Do you have a rough idea of how many non-trainers were produced?
I remember some guy saying that only 5000 non-trainers were produced, and that made them more valuable. I think he was just blowing smoke.
I've bought and sold a hand full of 82s, and can tell you the military stamped ones are definitely more valuable.
It makes perfect sense, as the military ones are collected by milsurp guys too, not just cooey collectors.
 
No, I have no idea of how many civilian 82's are out there . Any civilian version I have seen has been worth less than a trainer. Unless of course you maybe have a very poor condition trainer and a high condition civilian version. Then it might be worth more. But typically, condition being the same, most people will pay more for the trainer.
 
I was lucky i suppose when i found my 82. In addition to all proper broad arrow stamps the stock also bears a beautiful RCAF stamp with an additional serial number beside it, or what i believe is a serial.
 
If one was to find a near excellent condition , very shootable model it would all likely to be of civilian purchase.
Understandably , the military trainer would be of more value , to collectors , because of it's historical significance .

What would be a ball-park figure on the difference in value from a obviously used military trainer to an VG condition civilian purchase ?

IMPO , my "civi " fits nicely into my mil-surp collection , ( even as a representative ) , as well as my .22 collection and also my Cooey collection ...:rolleyes:

 
The values below are just my opinion.
A typical military trainer complete with peep sight is $275.00 to $325.00. A very nice example may bring more. Thing is you see a lot of average (or below)trainers missing peep sights that are listed at $350.00 to $375.00 and they usually don't sell. They are too high in my opinion.
A very nice condition civilian version is around a $275.00 gun with values falling depending on condition. Of course either version can be found at varying price points. Again, these are just my opinions and my opinion does not set the market as it only takes one buyer at whatever price. That being said, one buyer who might pay an overly high price does not set the market either.
 
Well I guess you can scratch my values . I actually wasn't going to give a value because it usually ends up where someone says I know of one that sold for way, way more. But I will say this. Anyone who pays $600.00 for one has too much money on their hands, lol. Put one on the EE at $600.00 and I'll bet that it is there a year from now. On the other hand maybe I should list mine.
 
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The values below are just my opinion.
A typical military trainer complete with peep sight is $275.00 to $325.00. A very nice example may bring more. Thing is you see a lot of average (or below)trainers missing peep sights that are listed at $350.00 to $375.00 and they usually don't sell. They are too high in my opinion.
A very nice condition civilian version is around a $275.00 gun with values falling depending on condition. Of course either version can be found at varying price points. Again, these are just my opinions and my opinion does not set the market as it only takes one buyer at whatever price. That being said, one buyer who might pay an overly high price does not set the market either.
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I think your spot on. I've heard Cooey's go for more out West, but $600 is crazy.
 
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When I first realized I wanted a Model 82 trainer, I put an ad in the EE, and had a reply within a day that seemed too good to be true- all military markings, from a collector 's former collection,new in the grease, and local to me (well ,a half hour away). Went next day to pick it up and it was all that was described- all proper markings, stamps, excellent condition, looked unfired, and at a price better than the "best" of what I've seen listed before or since. I had to find a peep sight and add a military sling, but now have a near perfect example, doubt I could ever have a better one in this day and age. They are out there, not as rare as some people make them out to be, so if you really want one, a little patience will find you what you want.
 
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