Cooey model 60 chamber or bolt problem

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I have a cooey model 60 from when I was a kid me and my dad put 100's of thounds of rounds through it until this problem:,

It still functions fine but when you chamber a LR round even standard velocity it's like the round explodes in the chamber, But doesn't do it with shorts,

Any idea what causes this, head space on the bolt?
Any idea how to fix it?

Just wondering. I don't use it and dad passed a few years ago.

I was just being nostalgic I guess.
 
It's pretty common for a carbon ring to form at the front of the chamber. If shorter cartridges are used, the carbon ring will form in the chamber itself, and if longer cartridges are used, the carbon ring can interfere with the longer cartridges.

The solution might be as simple as cleaning your chamber.
 
"it's like the round explodes in the chamber..."
What do you mean? The case ruptures? Case head separates?
 
OP - your description is not really clear - is the bolt closed when "the round explodes"? I managed to have one go off on my Dad's Cooey 60 by trying to single feed it - I believe the extractors set off the rimfire when I tried to slam the bolt shut - I concluded that one HAD to receive a shell from the magazine - would not work like Cooey 39 to single feed it. Is that your issue?
 
I'll try to explain better , the rounds chamber just fine and the bolt closes with no extra force, no case splits, when fired i got blow back, I can't remember if I cleaned it , haven't shot it in years but might dig it out of the safe and look it over and take a pic of bolt head.
 
friend of mine had that problem with a single shot 22 he has.
Problem turned out to be that the receiver was worn down where the bolt handle touches it when you close the bolt. It allowed the bolt to move back a bit when you fired it.
built that area up with a spot of weld, file,test fit, file,test fit. It fixed the blow back issue.
 
when fired i got blow back

Define "blow back"

Has the case ruptured?

If so where has it ruptured?

A quality picture would help.
 
CHC, those old but incredible rifles have two common issues, that when combined, create the issues you're getting now.

First, they "wear" on two critical surfaces.

The back of the bolt is the recoil lug and it sits tight against the shoulder of the notch it rests in when the bolt is closed. It cocks on closing and this applies force on both surfaces when the sear is engaged. From what I remember, neither of these surfaces are particularly hard and they wear.

The wears is very slight, but it happens every time that bolt is operated fully, whether a round is chambered or not.

This eventually creates a condition, which you rightly assumed is excessive headspace.

This wasn't much of an issue back in the day, even with a mix of short/long/long rifle ammo as it was all loaded to "STANDARD" velocity pressures with the long rifle, slightly lower with longs, and much lower with shorts.

When shorts and longs were not as widely used, later, and the manufacturers just "down" loaded the long rifle case, they also "up" loaded the long rifle case with higher pressures in cartridges such as CCI Stingers. These old rifles will chamber and shoot thousands of them before having "set back" issues, but they do create conditions where the wear between the surfaces is sped up.

You could do a lot of shooting with that ammo, without creating a "set back" condition or excessive wear.

Usually, when wear becomes so excessive to create the condition you describe, where case swell or crack when they ignite, sometimes even allowing bits of grit, etc to be "blown back" and out of the rear of the chamber, maybe swelling slightly at the extractor slot.

Most of the rifles I've seen with this condition will no longer reliably strike the rim with enough force to ignite the priming compound in the rim.

I suspect this is your issue. It can be fixed by a talented person with a TIG welder and a file, with a lot of TLC in mind.

The other issue, as mentioned above will either be a "carbon ring" which will happen half way up the chamber, from a steady diet of shorts or long cartridges, which will cause a ring of carbon to build up in the chamber. BUT, if this is your issue, you wouldn't be able to easily chamber the longer cartridges, if you could chamber them at all. I have seen these old rifles, both single shot and repeaters, put away in the safe or discarded because of such "rings"

I don't believe you have a "carbon ring" issue, but a wear issue on the rear of your bolt and the recoil shoulder on the receiver.

If wear is your issue, it will be noticeable. The surface of the bolt handle which rests against the recoil should be flat right up to the bolt body.

When they're badly worn, it's quite obvious.
 
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CHC, those old but incredible rifles have two common issues, that when combined, create the issues you're getting now.

First, they "wear" on two critical surfaces.

The back of the bolt is the recoil lug and it sits tight against the shoulder of the notch it rests in when the bolt is closed. It cocks on closing and this applies force on both surfaces when the sear is engaged. From what I remember, neither of these surfaces are particularly hard and they wear.

The wears is very slight, but it happens every time that bolt is operated fully, whether a round is chambered or not.

This eventually creates a condition, which you rightly assumed is excessive headspace.

This wasn't much of an issue back in the day, even with a mix of short/long/long rifle ammo as it was all loaded to "STANDARD" velocity pressures with the long rifle, slightly lower with longs, and much lower with shorts.

When shorts and longs were not as widely used, later, and the manufacturers just "down" loaded the long rifle case, they also "up" loaded the long rifle case with higher pressures in cartridges such as CCI Stingers. These old rifles will chamber and shoot thousands of them before having "set back" issues, but they do create conditions where the wear between the surfaces is sped up.

You could do a lot of shooting with that ammo, without creating a "set back" condition or excessive wear.

Usually, when wear becomes so excessive to create the condition you describe, where case swell or crack when they ignite, sometimes even allowing bits of grit, etc to be "blown back" and out of the rear of the chamber, maybe swelling slightly at the extractor slot.

Most of the rifles I've seen with this condition will no longer reliably strike the rim with enough force to ignite the priming compound in the rim.

I suspect this is your issue. It can be fixed by a talented person with a TIG welder and a file, with a lot of TLC in mind.

The other issue, as mentioned above will either be a "carbon ring" which will happen half way up the chamber, from a steady diet of shorts or long cartridges, which will cause a ring of carbon to build up in the chamber. BUT, if this is your issue, you wouldn't be able to easily chamber the longer cartridges, if you could chamber them at all. I have seen these old rifles, both single shot and repeaters, put away in the safe or discarded because of such "rings"

I don't believe you have a "carbon ring" issue, but a wear issue on the rear of your bolt and the recoil shoulder on the receiver.

If wear is your issue, it will be noticeable. The surface of the bolt handle which rests against the recoil should be flat right up to the bolt body.

When they're badly worn, it's quite obvious.
Yes you described what was happening exactly lol, blow back of powder and grit, I always wore glasses thankfully, there might have been signs on the casing I can't remember, haven't shot it on over 20 years. Still shoot a few shorts and no problem so I might just leave will enough alone. I got other projects to work on.

Thanks for all the info and input for all who texted.
 
Are you piercing the primer? If so dirty......clean it.I had one that did that and I used a needle file to take a bit off the firing pin. You may have a different issue so don't start with a file.
 
Reality and yourself? The firing pin was a hair long.This is why is was sold cheap the owner kept getting blow back from pierced primers.Fixed it 45 years ago and never a pierced primer since...............thanks for your input.
 
I have a cooey model 60 from when I was a kid me and my dad put 100's of thounds of rounds through it until this problem:,

It still functions fine but when you chamber a LR round even standard velocity it's like the round explodes in the chamber, But doesn't do it with shorts,

Any idea what causes this, head space on the bolt?
Any idea how to fix it?

Just wondering. I don't use it and dad passed a few years ago.

I was just being nostalgic I guess.
I have the same rifle and had the same issue. A gradual build-up carbon ring formed in the chamber from firing hundreds of rounds. I used brake cleaner to soak and soften the residue and put a brass brush with a short piece of old cleaning rod in a drill and reamed out the chamber. It's worked perfectly ever since.
 
Reality and yourself? The firing pin was a hair long.This is why is was sold cheap the owner kept getting blow back from pierced primers.Fixed it 45 years ago and never a pierced primer since...............thanks for your input.
This thread is about a Cooey Model 60, a .22 Rim Fire. A .22 Rim Fire cartridge has no primer to pierce. Center Fire cartridges have primers. And sometimes primers have a failure that many incorrectly refer to as pierced... but that is for another thread.
 
Thanks Capt Obvious I know the difference between a rim fire and a center fire.PS I own 3 mod 60's and the base of the rim can be pierced by a hair too long of a firing pin sending gas and burnt powder into one's face.Your point is well pointless.
 
Thanks Capt Obvious I know the difference between a rim fire and a center fire.
Then your postings should reflect that knowledge. Post 12 (Below in italics) does not.
"Are you piercing the primer? If so dirty......clean it.I had one that did that and I used a needle file to take a bit off the firing pin. You may have a different issue so don't start with a file."
 
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