Cool new AR trigger... Tac-con 3MR trigger group.

Jamie said:
i can run .10/.11 split times with a normal KAC trigger i dont know if this would be any faster...
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Yeah, but yer not really human when it comes to split times, so you don't count. :D

I have zero interest in this trigger based on what i saw in the video. Notice how "loose" his strong hand is on the grip.
 
To those who say they can out shoot this trigger, keep in mind this allows the average shooter to shoot faster than Jerry Miculek, so no you can't out shoot this trigger. It shouldt be prohibited under our law but I can almost guarantee it will be.
 
Unless this trigger system is made for non restricted Canadian rifles, the point is mute. Maximum 10 rounds in 3 seconds makes not a difference to me if only good for the range.
 
Clobbersauras said:
Yeah, but yer not really human when it comes to split times, so you don't count. :D

I have zero interest in this trigger based on what i saw in the video. Notice how "loose" his strong hand is on the grip.
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lol Thanks!

I also noticed the loose paintball type gripping in the vid
 
If this makes it in they need to bundle it with a spam can of Norinco. At my range they'll need robot sweepers to get rid of all the brass piling up around people's shoes.
 
I think how this falls down will depend on one thing. If the shooter needs to physically pull the trigger again for each shot, I could see this flying. If you can essentially " hold the trigger back loosly" and it repeats, it will definatly be prohibited. We need to understand how it really works in real life. The issue I see is that there is a 3rd position on the selector that is specifically there to make it run faster, as opposed to simply a quick reset drop in trigger.
 
8 ball said:
I think how this falls down will depend on one thing. If the shooter needs to physically pull the trigger again for each shot, I could see this flying. If you can essentially " hold the trigger back loosly" and it repeats, it will definatly be prohibited. We need to understand how it really works in real life. The issue I see is that there is a 3rd position on the selector that is specifically there to make it run faster, as opposed to simply a quick reset drop in trigger.
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Agreed. The selector is what I think will make it prohibited
like you said its a third position there to make it run faster and the rcmp won't see a sporting purpose for it... besides fun. Which is obviously illegal in Canada
 
Brordo said:
From another forum about how it works:

About the Tac-Con 3MR TriggerThe 3MR is a drop-in 3-mode fire control system with Safe, Semi-Automatic, and Tac-Con's patented 3rd Mode.* The 3rd mode has a positive reset that dramatically reduces the split times between shots. The positive reset characteristic is achieved by transferring the force from the bolt carrier through the trigger assembly to assist the trigger back onto the front sear. As a result, this gives the firearm the fastest reset possible. Both semi and 3rd mode positions exhibit a non-adjustable 4.5 pound trigger pull weight.* Why 4.5 pounds?* Because most law enforcement agencies limit any trigger used for duty to 4.5 pounds and above. Extensive testing done by Tac-Con, the ATF (BATFE), and professional shooters have proven that this is the fastest semi-automatic trigger in the world. The 3MR is ATF approved and is NOT a NFA part. Each trigger is accompanied by a copy of the ATF letter. This is not a bump fire system. The shooter must pull the trigger once for every round fired. Additional information will be available at (taccon website) on December 1st. Thank you for your interest in Tac-Con!!
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Well, that sounds like it is a fancy quick reset trigger, which may make it legal up here if the RCMP play by the actual rules... So we are probably screwed.


TV-PressPass said:
And also probably scares the pants off most folks :(
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Anything that scares the bedwetters is a great thing, I need one just for that alone.


Onagoth said:
I disagree....I believe the spirit of that rule is to catch add-on devices or other mechanical means used to operate a trigger. This device is a trigger, so in my view, its not within the scope of that provision.

I do agree that the RCMP will try to ban this behind any kind of twisted logic they can.
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Yes, this is true, which is why I said it was toast if it was something that could be separated out of the trigger group. From the description Brordo posted it sounds like this is an integral trigger group with a fancy mechanism incorporated. That may have a decent shot at being legal.


AlbertaGunslinger said:
To those who say they can out shoot this trigger, keep in mind this allows the average shooter to shoot faster than Jerry Miculek, so no you can't out shoot this trigger. It shouldt be prohibited under our law but I can almost guarantee it will be.
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It doesn't matter how fast I can shoot, I can't hit like Miculek can... But it would be fun to try. :D


Applefarmer said:
Unless this trigger system is made for non restricted Canadian rifles, the point is mute. Maximum 10 rounds in 3 seconds makes not a difference to me if only good for the range.
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For those of us that shoot 99+% of our rounds at a range this isn't a problem. I also fail to see how this is any less fun at a range than out in the bush.


driller212 said:
Very cool. One more reason to add to a long list of reasons why I need an AR
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You don't need one AR, you need two. At least.


Silveragent said:
If this makes it in they need to bundle it with a spam can of Norinco. At my range they'll need robot sweepers to get rid of all the brass piling up around people's shoes.
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I'll pick up all that brass if I can keep it.


00aught said:
Agreed. The selector is what I think will make it prohibited
like you said its a third position there to make it run faster and the rcmp won't see a sporting purpose for it... besides fun. Which is obviously illegal in Canada
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The RCMP don't see any sporting purpose in any firearm aside from a single shot Cooey. It's a good thing we don't have a sporting purposes test here or we would be completely screwed.


Mark
 
Guys, a quick link to BATF approval letter for TAC CON trigger, which explained how the tac con trigger work
http://tacfirecon.com/wp-content/uploads/TAC-CON-TM-ATF-Approval-Letter.pdf

I don't know how our gun law defines full-auto or machine guns, it seems tac trigger unitizes what they called a assisted positive trigger reset, the trigger will reset just like any other semi-auto firearms, only faster.

what it does is no different than Walther PPQs fast reset trigger, which can be shot pretty fast by anyone.
any lawyers want to chime in on this?

they are also NON NFA, they are NOT illegal to export(from the US), NOT YET illegal in Canada
 
Familygunnutz said:
Guys, a quick link to BATF approval letter for TAC CON trigger, which explained how the tac con trigger work
http://tacfirecon.com/wp-content/uploads/TAC-CON-TM-ATF-Approval-Letter.pdf

I don't know how our gun law defines full-auto or machine guns, it seems tac trigger unitizes what they called a assisted positive trigger reset, the trigger will reset just like any other semi-auto firearms, only faster.

what it does is no different than Walther PPQs fast reset trigger, which can be shot pretty fast by anyone.
any lawyers want to chime in on this?

they are also NON NFA, they are NOT illegal to export(from the US), NOT YET illegal in Canada
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Good find. I really like the idea of these, as it can still be used as a standard semi auto, but can also be fired a bit faster than a semi due to the positive reset.
 
fast and most importantly accurate follow up shots do have a sporting purpose.
which the tac con is designed for, fast reset match trigger is what they are selling not a spray and pray full auto device.
we need start to take them serisously and stop calling it fun then we may able to use it on this side of the boarder.

00aught said:
Agreed. The selector is what I think will make it prohibited
like you said its a third position there to make it run faster and the rcmp won't see a sporting purpose for it... besides fun. Which is obviously illegal in Canada
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It is bump firing trigger, that's what it is. That is why the guy has to have a loose grip so the rifle can recoil to bump the trigger.

I don't think this will be illegal, as it is still one shot per trigger squeeze. There is no mechanical assist to squeeze that trigger. The firer still has to squeeze the trigger one pull at a time.
 
I disagree about it being recoil operated. I believe from reading that BATFE letter that it functions more along the lines of a Tippmann A-5 "Response trigger" for paintball. The trigger is forced forward past reset so that if you apply a constant ammount of pressure, the trigger travels back and another round is fired, thus allowing for very fast non-automatic fire. I don't believe that having your thumb flop all over the place like in the video is a requirement. Holding the pistol grip like a human should still work.
 
From a friend on CGN who has been in contact with the company... it appears that the company is willing and able to export the product to Canada, but advises to check all local regulations before installing the trigger.

That said, more and more sources are coming out that confirm that even the assisted reset mode still acts as a semi automatic trigger and not an automatic or bump fire style trigger, which is very good news.
 
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