Cougar shot and left near Cochrane has Fish and Wildlife looking for poacher
- Thread starter Thomas D'Arcy McGee
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- Location
- calgary alberta
Or possibly it was not a real poacher at all just an indigenous person exercising their rights? The area described is very close to a reserve. And the campfire was due to poor cell reception?
DiabeticKripple
CGN Regular
- Location
- Red Deer, Alberta
- Location
- calgary alberta
but the indigenous are "stewards of the land" and would never do this!
Right!! I forgot about that.
Exactly this. Our COs tend to make you prove your innocence, rather than they prove your guilt. I know of a few individuals who've killed either bears or cats in self-defense and reported it. None of them will make that mistake again. SSS.
but the indigenous are "stewards of the land" and would never do this!
Yeah I was watching a show on APTN the Indian (first nations channel ) about a city Dene Indian returning to learn the ways of his people.
The first I see them do is kill a cow moose in the summer. Moose populations are down and hunting is being further restricted.
Next I see the phucking Stewart's of the land shooting ducks on the river from a motor boat ...ripping up river and shooting them when they are flying beside the fricken boat.
Totally disgusting, a white man would get crucified for such behavior! !!
I will absolutely NEVER report anyone for what may seem like game violations ever....if its good for one IMHO it's fricken good for all!!!
steamy teabag
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Inside Carneys Reich
Only applies if you're a whitey.
Sadly, reporting "yourself" to the COs rarely ends well. I'm not condoning poaching of any kind but I do know a couple individuals who had bad experiences in the past.
The first, a friend, shot a small cow moose in a calf/bull only season, it was his first year moose hunting and made the mistake of taking the shot. Once he realised what he had done, he immediately called the COs. They obviously seized the carcass and took his tag. What surprised us is that he received a 3000$ fine and a one year hunting prohibition for essentially doing the ethical thing after his mistake.
The second, my father-in-law shot a nice 8pt buck the first couple days of archery season in Qc (archery is always the first season in Qc for big game), as he approached the dead deer he could smell a foul odor. He tagged the deer, got it registered and brought it home to hang and skin the deer. The deer had a .22 cal slug in the brisket and a bad infection. He called the COs, they showed up at his house, seized the deer as evidence of poaching, did not reissue a new tag and he had to fight for weeks to get the antlers back and finally got them after talking to one of his acquaintances who happened to be a CO elsewhere.
Those are only the "stories" I've heard from close friends and family. I've heard much worse from other hunters. I guarantee you, most people after hearing such stories will think twice before contacting COs which is a shame. Even reporting poachers can turn into a hassle, no one likes to get questioned/challenged about their activities and proving they are not poaching while attempting to report poaching.
black powder
CGN Regular
- Location
- Saint Hippolyte
wolfs cougars and coyotes apply the 3 S ..SHOOT SHOVEL SHUT UP the deer will love you in return
fingers284
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Alberta Cowboy Ranges
This^^^...only thing wrong is he forgot the all important middle S
- Location
- In the shadows of the Rockies
Regarding sentencing if the perpetrator is brought to justice: the penalties for Wildlife Act offences in Alberta are obviously quite severe so representation by competent legal counsel is advantageous. Not a criminal offence; however, if sentenced then Section 718 of the Criminal Code, Purpose and Principles of Sentencing, might have some bearing on sentencing severity -
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-182.html#docCont
Purpose
718 The fundamental purpose of sentencing is to protect society and to contribute, along with crime prevention initiatives, to respect for the law and the maintenance of a just, peaceful and safe society by imposing just sanctions that have one or more of the following objectives:
(a) to denounce unlawful conduct and the harm done to victims or to the community that is caused by unlawful conduct;
(b) to deter the offender and other persons from committing offences;
(c) to separate offenders from society, where necessary;
(d) to assist in rehabilitating offenders;
(e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and
(f) to promote a sense of responsibility in offenders, and acknowledgment of the harm done to victims or to the community.
So mitigating (as well as aggravating) circumstances are considered in sentencing. Not sure how Section 781 might be relevant, if at all, if the culprits are apprehended and turn out to be alien animal mutilators (note the green gloves or are the hands green?).
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-182.html#docCont
Purpose
718 The fundamental purpose of sentencing is to protect society and to contribute, along with crime prevention initiatives, to respect for the law and the maintenance of a just, peaceful and safe society by imposing just sanctions that have one or more of the following objectives:
(a) to denounce unlawful conduct and the harm done to victims or to the community that is caused by unlawful conduct;
(b) to deter the offender and other persons from committing offences;
(c) to separate offenders from society, where necessary;
(d) to assist in rehabilitating offenders;
(e) to provide reparations for harm done to victims or to the community; and
(f) to promote a sense of responsibility in offenders, and acknowledgment of the harm done to victims or to the community.
So mitigating (as well as aggravating) circumstances are considered in sentencing. Not sure how Section 781 might be relevant, if at all, if the culprits are apprehended and turn out to be alien animal mutilators (note the green gloves or are the hands green?).
blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- A blue part of Ontario
There are idiots who feel that the only good predator is a dead one and will shoot on sight, without a care for what happens to it afterwords.
A decent investigator should be able to piece together the evidence, especially with snow around, and figure out approximately what went down.
Lo......ain't that the truth. There are two things you never shoot in Canada....a cougar and a trespasser, you will have an army of SJW's after you.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
some years back my brother in law shot one out of season as it stalked his calves in BC. He had nothing but trouble, made the paper, had idiots phone him at home, plus the wardens visiting a few times. like self defense in this country, you are in the right, but it won't feel like it by the time they are done with you.
Yeah I think the campfire is key. Your fingers are nice and warm while cleaning/skinning the animal. It’s afterwards you might decide to build a fire to warm up and get cleaned up.
Given the limited information, my guess would be:
Guy starts fire.
Guy sees cougar snooping about.
Guy’s adrenaline goes through the roof.
Guy feels threatened.
Guy shoots cougar.
Adrenaline finally comes down.
Guy starts to second guess the necessity of the situation.
Guy realizes it’s gonna be hard to plead self defence to the fish cops.
Guy hears voices coming.
Guy GTFO.
My $0.02
