Could care less about Sigs anymore??!

Saucerhead said:
Can the 96 P226 you have be converted to DAK?
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No idea. I was wondering the same thing but never really invested the additional time to come up with a straight answer. Some of what I have read indicates yes, some says no.

I have been contemplating a sig elite with beavertail or a 226 classic with beavertail and purchasing an exchange kit OR using the slide off my current 226 (if it works. I posted this question the other day but have received no replies whether my 1996 slide would fit and function on the frame of a new 226 classic) for the past couple months, and thinking about a DAK kit.

Then I got thinking, do I enjoy the sig enough to invest in an elite? or the 226 classic now that the M&P 22 is available. So I decided to post this thread to see how others in a similar situation feel or have felt. Maybe it would open my mind to a different thought process or reaffirm my feelings.

With that being said, I have come across quite a bit of varying opinions on the DAK trigger. It seems more people prefer the DA/SA over the DAK. Everyone is different of course. I have not had a chance to try one (obviously) nor do I know of anyone who has one. From what I hear though, even with DAK, the consistent trigger pull is still considerably heavier then the SA pull on the da/sa triggers and more so than most other brands. So you get consistency but still a heavy pull. So I guess that begs the question...is the trade off in consistency worth the extra effort in the pull?

I think my issue (without ranting) is the increased concentration and focus on remaining as accurate with the first DA pull as with SA due to the heavier pull and increased muscle tension. I am by no means weak, but that first pull is long and heavy which slightly changes your grip on the gun to accommodate the further out trigger. Combat accuracy in IPSC or IDPA is probably not as much of a concern as I am making it out to be though.

Now how here is a related question more for curiosity sake. I do not recall the rules in IPSC and IDPA clearly regarding trigger pull and modifications. I believe IPSC is now down to 3.5 lbs from 5 it used to be? and IDPA does not matter? Or is that backwards or are they same? Secondly, in production class, what trigger work are you actually allowed to have done? I thought you had to run stock. Then I thought there was stipulation where you could modify the trigger within the confines of what the manufacture provides as an available option/accessory if it came stock?

I guess what I am asking is, if you ran a sig in production what work are you allowed to do to the trigger if any? And are you able to do enough work to make it closer to say an M&p or Glock? Last but not least, if the trigger itself is stock but the internal mechanism's are aftermarket, how do the inspectors really know? So if a guy in production is running aftermarket internals, how is it even obvious or distinguishable unless the inspector *really* knows their stuff? Especially if it meets with the minimum required pull weight?
 
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I've been shooting a West German Sig P226 for 3 years now, it was my one and only handgun, I've always been satisfied with it. I shot other people's handguns over time, revolvers, semi-autos. I knew I needed to get something else, but never really wanted a new handgun that bad.

I got my new Glock 17 last week from Canada Ammo (always wanted one since I shot someone's 21SF, you know who you are), shot it saturday... it changed my world.
 
Funny.....I thought I was the only one.....I love my 226 elite w/srt..... I would trust my life with this gun (if it was legal to do so).

However have lately been doing more steel challenge and started shooting IPSC matches and am realizing the weakness of it for competition.

Have been contemplating a striker fired pistol as an alternative...

Steyr M9-A1 inbound, Canada Post says arriving Wednesday....should be interesting :)
 
Very common, and while I have seen someone shoot a DA/SA at the same level as he shot a Glock, it wasn't done by your average guy. There's a reason the Glock is so popular, and it isn't just that they're reliable and cheap.
 
enefgee said:
Very common, and while I have seen someone shoot a DA/SA at the same level as he shot a Glock, it wasn't done by your average guy. There's a reason the Glock is so popular, and it isn't just that they're reliable and cheap.
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Is it because the are easy to shoot and require less skill to use? :p
 
Making a firearm, designed for the defence of human life, easy to use is something all manufacturers should give some thought to. As far as skills go the skills involved are the same - pistol shooting in general comes down to half a dozen simple things performed flawlessly in order to place a perfect shot - but doing right every time, under all circumstances, on demand, is what makes it a challenge.
 
misanthropist said:
You're not alone at all...I would say that the overwhelming majority of shooters perform better with guns using a single trigger pull than DA/SA guns.

I bought a West German 226 a couple of years ago...nice gun, gave it to someone after six months. I don't like DA/SA triggers.

There is a reason than the entire world shoots Glocks now. The 226 is a nice gun but its day is basically over.
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Well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even if it's likely wrong in this case.

Tell this to the overwhelming number of shooters that chose a DA/SA CZ Shadow to use in IPSC Production class and the fact that this gun shows well in the finishing results.

YOU may not like the DA/SA guns but there's pleanty of others that do. So it's not very fair to make a sweeping statement such as what you posted.

Police forces went with Glock or other striker fired guns for their own reasons. And when those numbers are considered it may seem like the whole world has gone striker crazy. But when I look around at sport and target shooters when they gather I see no overwhelming evidence that SA or striker guns are crowding out DA/SA guns. And in fact it seems to be a 50-50 sort of deal

To 121X, the IPSC rulebook allows for factory parts to replace other factory parts. It also allows for internal smoothing and tuning. It's this last part where the SIG will likely need to focus for major improvements. In the meantime check to see if you can get an assortment of mainsprings and see how low you can go and still achieve good reliability for firing the primers.

From there getting the insides slicked up and tuned so your DA pull is smooth will produce a big difference. If the trigger moves easily with no grittiness or stickiness then it's easier to maintain a good sight picture as you make the pull.

The only other issue may be one of your finger length. There's no doubt that a lot of the DA/SA guns have a LOOOONG pull length in DA. If you're one of those with slightly shorter fingers then it makes it very hard to avoid any sideways tension build on the trigger due to the way you end up having to reach for it. If this is the case you may be stuck with options that are either SA only or that have a shorter DA or DA similar travel such as most of the striker fired guns.
 
BCRider said:
Well everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even if it's likely wrong in this case.

Tell this to the overwhelming number of shooters that chose a DA/SA CZ Shadow to use in IPSC Production class and the fact that this gun shows well in the finishing results.

YOU may not like the DA/SA guns but there's pleanty of others that do. So it's not very fair to make a sweeping statement such as what you posted.

Police forces went with Glock or other striker fired guns for their own reasons. And when those numbers are considered it may seem like the whole world has gone striker crazy. But when I look around at sport and target shooters when they gather I see no overwhelming evidence that SA or striker guns are crowding out DA/SA guns. And in fact it seems to be a 50-50 sort of deal
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Ask anyone at all who trains significant numbers of shooters...for a given amount of practise time, dealing with one trigger pull is easier than dealing with two. Can you work around it and are there examples of guns in which the trigger is not as significant an impediment to their performance as the other benefits that come with that particular gun? Of course. But if you could magically have a Shadow with single action only, everything else being exactly the same, and somehow still magically run it in production class, would it be an advantage? Obviously.

DA/SA works and someone who trains for it can run it well. But it's still an obstacle to overcome.
 
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