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there is such a difference when CDN $ is equal to US $?

Model Canadian $ US $ MSRP US HAGGLE $
CZ75B SA $765.00 $538.00 $450.00
CZSP01 $810.00 $616.00 $525.00
CZ75 CHAMP. $2210.00 $1691.00 $1550.00
HK 9MM USP $1870,00 $1100.00 $925.00
HK P7M8 $2125.00 $1450.00 $1350.00
HK P2000 $1075.00 $900.00 ----------
RUG 22 III $560.00 $480,00 $350.00
SIG 226 $1530.00 $850.00 -----------

It seems the higher end handguns have a greater delta so if shipping handling and admin charges etc is standard then the profit margins are much greater.

Do you think out retailers are gouging us?
 
thats why so many people are just having things imported from the US, all the broker fees and taxes they put on it and its still cheaper than buying off the shelf here
 
No, most retailers are not gouging.
Mark up on most outdoor and shooting equipment is 10%-30% max
Considering it's $295 ,IIRC, to get Questar to import a gun for you, you do the math.

Add in the fact the distributors bring in supplies only a couple of times a year and prices tend to be set then.
Add in the fact that a single store in the US can out sell all of Canada.
Add in the HUGE difference in shipping up here.
 
dinsdale said:
No, most retailers are not gouging.
Mark up on most outdoor and shooting equipment is 10%-30% max
Considering it's $295 ,IIRC, to get Questar to import a gun for you, you do the math.

Add in the fact the distributors bring in supplies only a couple of times a year and prices tend to be set then.
Add in the fact that a single store in the US can out sell all of Canada.
Add in the HUGE difference in shipping up here.
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I have a hard time buying your comments because the prices that I am talking about are all retail. The retail shops buy them at wholesale prices, which are usually about 30 -50 % less than MSRP may be even more, that is why you can haggle $800.00 down to $650.00 or $700.00 and the US prices are about 40% cheaper than ours when the dollar is almost the same, so the CDN markup would represent more in the region of 60-80% here. Besides the US retailers also have extra fees imbedded in their selling price.

As for the brokerage fees they may pay a flat rate to be bonded for import/export. But for the individual the certificates cost nothing to obtain. The only cost the broker will incur is possibly a verification fee along with shipping administration and possibly duty but if the gun is made in the US free trade kicks in and there is no duty charged. So I believe that of the $300.00 or so in brokerage fees only about 1/3 is actual cost the rest is profit. By the way shipping handgun couldn’t be that bad considering it only costs $30.00 from Alberta to Quebec that includes insurance.
 
steve5412 said:
there is such a difference when CDN $ is equal to US $?

Model Canadian $ US $ MSRP US HAGGLE $
CZ75B SA $765.00 $538.00 $450.00
CZSP01 $810.00 $616.00 $525.00
CZ75 CHAMP. $2210.00 $1691.00 $1550.00
HK 9MM USP $1870,00 $1100.00 $925.00
HK P7M8 $2125.00 $1450.00 $1350.00
HK P2000 $1075.00 $900.00 ----------
RUG 22 III $560.00 $480,00 $350.00
SIG 226 $1530.00 $850.00 -----------

It seems the higher end handguns have a greater delta so if shipping handling and admin charges etc is standard then the profit margins are much greater.

Do you think out retailers are gouging us?
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Us dealer took a chunk; Custom +tax took a chunk; paper work+transportation fee is another chunk; dealer income etc and add together we pay this price. life is pain if you think too much brother. Like the other said, you can import this by yourself. But think about if I have to spend few days on import trouble, I would rather do some overtime work to pay for the extra. Just my 0.2 cents.

Trigun
 
Com on guys can't you see what is going on here! The same thing is happening all over Canada. A year and a half ago our dollar was worth approximately 0.30 less than it is today but all our commodities are still priced the same or even higher, Mow please tell me that 10% to 30% of today’s price is the only profit the dealer is making!
What happened to our 0.30 cents on a dollar, as we are surly not benefiting from it
 
steve5412 said:
there is such a difference when CDN $ is equal to US $?

Model Canadian $ US $ MSRP US HAGGLE $
CZ75B SA $765.00 $538.00 $450.00
CZSP01 $810.00 $616.00 $525.00
CZ75 CHAMP. $2210.00 $1691.00 $1550.00
HK 9MM USP $1870,00 $1100.00 $925.00
HK P7M8 $2125.00 $1450.00 $1350.00
HK P2000 $1075.00 $900.00 ----------
RUG 22 III $560.00 $480,00 $350.00
SIG 226 $1530.00 $850.00 -----------

It seems the higher end handguns have a greater delta so if shipping handling and admin charges etc is standard then the profit margins are much greater.

Do you think out retailers are gouging us?
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Two words: VOLUME DISCOUNT. Large US retailers have more buying power and get better prices. Canadian retailers can't compete. The Canadian market is a drop in the bucket. Be thankful there are even any Canadian gun stores left. I'd rather pay more and support my local economy than give money to that country to piss away in their next war, anyway. :D

Gouging.... Pffff. Some people don't have a clue. :mad:.

Don't forget the added BS of being a FIREARMS BUSINESS IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE.... Dealing with all our idiotic laws. All that extra paperwork adds a bunch to each gun.
 
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sogetthis said:
Two words: VOLUME DISCOUNT. Large US retailers have more buying power and get better prices. Canadian retailers can't compete. The Canadian market is a drop in the bucket. Be thankful there are even any Canadian gun stores left. I'd rather pay more and support my local economy than give money to that country to piss away in their next war, anyway. :D

Gouging.... Pffff. Some people don't have a clue. :mad:.

Don't forget the added BS of being a FIREARMS BUSINESS IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE.... Dealing with all our idiotic laws. All that extra paperwork adds a bunch to each gun.
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Yup I guess you'e right, just pay with a smile on your face, accept the situation it is the Canadian way.

Then later on we wake up and begin to ##### and moan and wonder why/how our Gouvernement/Politiciens are able to impose such stupid gun legislation!
 
your price on the HK USP is way off. at least $750 too much......where did you see an HK USP selling for $1870?
 
steve5412 said:
Mow please tell me that 10% to 30% of today’s price is the only profit the dealer is making!
What happened to our 0.30 cents on a dollar, as we are surly not benefiting from it
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I'm sure they are only making 20-30% on the sale. Unfortunately that is 20-30% on the total cost. Purchase price, export fees, shipping, brokerage fees, etc.

It reminds me of when I worked for a company years ago that did computer sales and upgrades. RAM prices were going through the roof. I commented to my boss that this was not good. It was making the machines more expensive. He said he liked the higher cost. Since he did a 30% markup he made more money when the prices were high.

Percentage wise the dealers are not making more than they should. But they probably are making more total money on a gun sale than an American dealer would with the same percentage markup.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Steve - Have you ever seen a dealer price sheet for one-off or small volume purchases? You might be surprised. Bit of an advantage if a business is able to pro-order, and buy in quantity. Pre-order shotshells by the carload, and the price looks pretty good. Smaller business aren't able to tie up the operating capital required to bring in merchandise in large volume.
Years ago, the largest importer of surplus firearms offered a discount of 25% on their advertised retail prices, FOB. Add on delivery costs, and a lot of the discount got eaten up.
 
steve5412 said:
there is such a difference when CDN $ is equal to US $?

Model Canadian $ US $ MSRP US HAGGLE $
CZ75B SA $765.00 $538.00 $450.00
CZSP01 $810.00 $616.00 $525.00
CZ75 CHAMP. $2210.00 $1691.00 $1550.00
HK 9MM USP $1870,00 $1100.00 $925.00
HK P7M8 $2125.00 $1450.00 $1350.00
HK P2000 $1075.00 $900.00 ----------
RUG 22 III $560.00 $480,00 $350.00
SIG 226 $1530.00 $850.00 -----------

It seems the higher end handguns have a greater delta so if shipping handling and admin charges etc is standard then the profit margins are much greater.

Do you think out retailers are gouging us?
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It is pretty hard to tell exactly what your point is because your examples don't seem to jive with reality.

For example, We sell Ruger MkIII's for $340.

However in some cases no parallel can be drawn. HK P2000 for example. The Canadian guns are made specifically for the Canadian market with a custom barrel length. So it is not in fact available in that configuration in the US.

In any event, since in your opinion the prices vary so greatly that it is apparently worth while for you to import them directly, let us know how it turns out.
 
redleg said:
It is pretty hard to tell exactly what your point is because your examples don't seem to jive with reality.

For example, We sell Ruger MkIII's for $340.

However in some cases no parallel can be drawn. HK P2000 for example. The Canadian guns are made specifically for the Canadian market with a custom barrel length. So it is not in fact available in that configuration in the US.

In any event, since in your opinion the prices vary so greatly that it is apparently worth while for you to import them directly, let us know how it turns out.
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The ruger I mentioned is the KMKIII512, 5 1/2 SS BULL, and not the KMKIII4, 41/2 BLUE which does go for about $369.00 again from that Ontario dealer,

I checked out your site and skimmed through your price list and although the main page advertises GLOCK, HK, SIG, & KIMBER the only handgun prices listed were KIMBER no RUGER's adverterised so I must assume you cary no stock and and don’t have one presently for sale and must special order!
I have however found that in general prices from the western provences especialy Alberta & Manitoba are slightly better than the rest.

As for importing from the US - Well Your rite its much harder for the individual than the dealer who does this every day

By the way could you explain where my .0.30 cents on my dollar is going if it isn’t going in your pocket?
 
steve5412 said:
The ruger I mentioned is the KMKIII512, 5 1/2 SS BULL, and not the KMKIII4, 41/2 BLUE which does go for about $369.00 again from that Ontario dealer,

I checked out your site and skimmed through your price list and although the main page advertises GLOCK, HK, SIG, & KIMBER the only handgun prices listed were KIMBER no RUGER's adverterised so I must assume you cary no stock and and don’t have one presently for sale and must special order!
I have however found that in general prices from the western provences especialy Alberta & Manitoba are slightly better than the rest.

As for importing from the US - Well Your rite its much harder for the individual than the dealer who does this every day

By the way could you explain where my .0.30 cents on my dollar is going if it isn’t going in your pocket?
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See details help alot.

If you are looking for inventory lists see our picture gallery.

No, because no matter how many times we rehash this nobody seems to be willing to hear. Well ok one more time.... Canadian distributors buy at different rates than US distributors because they buy smaller. Thus dealers pay more for inventory coming from the distributor and eventually consumers pay more. Dealers mark up guns about 20%. So we are making an extra 20% of the 30% more you are paying. Thus we are lining our pockets and living the high life on that 6% bonus. And of course we all know that the costs of doing business are much less in Canada than the US so our overhead is lower:rolleyes:
 
steve5412 said:
Yup I guess you'e right, just pay with a smile on your face, accept the situation it is the Canadian way.

Then later on we wake up and begin to ##### and moan and wonder why/how our Gouvernement/Politiciens are able to impose such stupid gun legislation!
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That doesn't even make any sense. :confused:

How many times are different people going to have to say this before you understand... ITS BUYING POWER. redleg confirmed it, as well as many other people in various posts similar to yours that have appeared in the past.

As far as your ".30 on the dollar", guess what... No business is going to raise and lower their prices in unison with the price of the Canadian dollar. It is ridiculous to even suggest that. Have you ever run a business, or taken an economics class in university? Picked up a book about modern economics? Maybe you should. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is.

Look, Canada is a drop in the bucket. Firearms ownership is not widespread. Even comparing our prices to US prices is ridiculous. Firearms owners in Canada have always and will always pay a premium. If you can't afford it, find another hobby that is closer in line with what you can afford. The current price of the dollar has no effect on that. Sure, gun dealers may be making a few extra cents. But I say they earned it. I wouldn't change my businesses prices for something like a soaring dollar. That's ridiculous.

I'm not sure what you were hoping to hear by making this post?
 
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CeeZer said:
Just came back from Alaska, Sportsman's sells CZ75B for US$369.... made in Czech Republik...
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Thanks for the info CeeZer Wow now that’s the best price I've heard for a CZ to date.

I guess if we apply the CDN dealers logic to this price it must mean that that lonely dealer in Alaska must be ordering and buying CZ75B's by the boat load add in the shipping costs and import fees as well as duty and taxes exchange rate for Euro to US etc. and sell it for US$369 and still make a profit. Go figure!

I still have not heard a logical explanation with the exception of allot of baloney and double talk from retailers on why the average Canadian does/can not benefit from our STRONG dollar.
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SOME OF YOU do get it, REDLEG explained clearly, it is volume buying....Lets use an example I am familiar with, in the space of two years we shipped a ditributor in the US approximately 35,000 Yugo SKS rifles.... Do you really think they paid the same as a typical Canadian dealer who may order one or two cases (10-20 guns) ?? Not likely....

On the other hand I know that that particular distributor works on 5-7% to his dealers.... Another major difference, in the US you can do that because of the volume.... In Canada you would go broke, QUICKLY.

If you are going to make comparisons then compare all factors equaly....

Also remember that most US manufacturers long ago established "exclusive" distributors in Canada, many of whom expect a higher profit than the dealers.... They can get away with it, they are protected by the producer.
Ask any of the larger dealers, get their opinion....

HAPPY HOLIDAYS
John
 
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