Could the most accurate rifle be a takedown...

caramel said:
Dont give all the credit to the rifles, could be the shooter to... JP.
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That's right.... Now that I think of it... Maynard mentioned one day at the range last summer that a motorcycle riding rifle shooter was supposed to show up for the 1 MOA challenge. As I remember that day it was a no show. My guess is the now show was caramel.

Are we going to see you at the CS range this summer caramel?
 
caramel said:
I am looking forward to the day another member here get one... JP.
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You will not have to wait a long time because i have order one from Wanstalls couples month ago.

I have been told that Nemesis have two military contract before us but i hope to have it this summer.
I have also a S&B PMII waiting for this one.

In couples last year i have owned very nice custom rifle and this will be nice to compare with the Nemesis.
Honestly, i have not heard a bad thing about Nemesis rifle to date...

Yes this is pricey but try to find another rifle that you can switch barrel with no tool in 10 second ...
 
Skullboy said:
A well respected member here on the forum told me about seeing a Nemesis being shot at the Poco Range (It wasn't Rodger)...........He told me that the owner was having nothing but issues with it and it's headspacing...............As to the member that related this story to me, I have no reason to doubt his word as he is a competitor, owns/shoots some very well made (and Expensive) long range rigs and knows what he is talking about.................

I have met and shot with Rodger (Nemo)..........I would be very interested as well to hear his thoughts on the Nemesis........... ;)

After watching those two videos, it looks like the action doesn't cycle that smoothly..................
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First time i heard this on the Nemesis but i will not judge before having it in my hand.

One thing is sure, this is not suppose to happen on a 6500$ rifle. If that's happen with mine i will be the first to tell the truth !
I like to test my gear and this rifle will be tested a lot.

BTW thanks for the input i will check that for sure.
 
Charles said:
First time i heard this on the Nemesis but i will not judge before having it in my hand.

One thing is sure, this is not suppose to happen on a 6500$ rifle. If that's happen with mine i will be the first to tell the truth !
I like to test my gear and this rifle will be tested a lot.

BTW thanks for the input i will check that for sure.
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I was interested in one of these rifles a while ago...............the concept is a cool idea............. but after reading some comments coming from the owner of the company on another website bashing a competitor's offerings, I will spend my money else where................Like here in Canada.............. ;)
 
The Answer to that is YES, you can have the Most accurate Rifle for a Take down system, this is purely Technology and workman ship going into the Nemesis rifle, years Ago the only Take down rifle you can get was from HS, and it was up to the 5-6K at that time, I don't see that price wise for this rifle is very High compare to other High end system. In my opinion is worth-ed.

caramel said:
Were out my lady and i to a supper were many LEO friends were present, the discussion turned after a while on the subjet of the Nemesis rifle, this summer many of my friends came to our range to try my Nemesis, many of them are in the process of getting one and the word is that while many commercial rifles in the top category are equally accurate, the fact that it's a takedown give it an edge over the others accurate rifles, i do agree 100% with that statement, now i am not bragging here, i am realizing that slowly but surely the word is spreading out and this rifle is now on the list of many persons...
Does it make me proud, you bet... JP.
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Charles said:
You will not have to wait a long time because i have order one from Wanstalls couples month ago.

I have been told that Nemesis have two military contract before us but i hope to have it this summer.
I have also a S&B PMII waiting for this one.

In couples last year i have owned very nice custom rifle and this will be nice to compare with the Nemesis.
Honestly, i have not heard a bad thing about Nemesis rifle to date...

Yes this is pricey but try to find another rifle that you can switch barrel with no tool in 10 second ...
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That is refreshing... JP.
 
I just watched those two videos, and I'm curious if Caramel's vanquish has that same situation where lifting the bolt up is almost enough to lift the rifle off the table since it doesn't seem as though you'd have a hand on the rifle holding it down.
It's #### on opening, right? Or maybe it might just need some lubrication and/or polishing. What do I know, though?

I still want one.
 
Skullboy said:
A well respected member here on the forum told me about seeing a Nemesis being shot at the Poco Range (It wasn't Rodger)...........He told me that the owner was having nothing but issues with it and it's headspacing...............As to the member that related this story to me, I have no reason to doubt his word as he is a competitor, owns/shoots some very well made (and Expensive) long range rigs and knows what he is talking about.................

I have met and shot with Rodger (Nemo)..........I would be very interested as well to hear his thoughts on the Nemesis........... ;)

After watching those two videos, it looks like the action doesn't cycle that smoothly..................
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It was me that reported this observation to Skullboy. It was back last year and the rifle belonged to a chap unknown to me. I didn't go over to see hands on what the problem was so, to be entirely fair, and since it wasn't Rodger ( who is a very competent fellow ) it could have been some form of 'user error' rather than what was being said at the time about headspacing. I must say that the concept of a takedown rifle intrigues me and the claimed accuracy is most impressive but, as I have written before, I'd like to see more out there before I'd buy one. Other guys I know who like expensive toys are, like me, a bit leery of this rifle so I'm not anticipating getting ahold of one anytime soon but if I do get one to play with I will write one of my reviews for everyone to read.
 
When new the tolerances were so strict and lack of lubrication made that happen a couple of times, but it was not long for the bolt to become silky smooth and never after that did it occured, i had a mag that sometimes would not drop free ( so little friction ), called Gary and he send me another one Subito Pronto, this is like my new Vette ( 800 KM ), i have to take it to service on Tuesday as one head light burnt down, new stuff have little issues sometime, doesnt make them lemons... JP.
 
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Johnny_Zanni said:
Are you still going to get the another one in .300WSM Caramel?
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I would buy one but since those are such niche rifle, i may want to buy my first Cooper before ( in 308 you bet ) but as a compulsive buyer, i would probably crack and buy one if Gary called me and said... Hey JP just received a Nemesis in 300 mag... Interrested... Would be hard to say no.... and please add 2 extra mags... JP.
 
We all have our opinion as to what is the MOST ACCURATE rifle.

Are you saying it is the most accurate rifle of all rifles that are available to the general public?

Are you saying it is the most accurate in a bolt rifle? or in a bolt take down rifle?

Are you saying that it is the most accurate rifle in a bolt, takedown, .308 caliber rifle?

Is it even more accurate than a full blown custom rifle built with aftermarket parts?

Is it the most accurate for short range or long range?

Please clarify for me. There are so many unknowns as to what you mean by the "MOST ACCURATE RIFLE"

I just may have to sell some custom built BR rifles and buy me a Nem.

CYCBB
 
I dont think nothing can touch a 6mm custom, but if we stay in the 308 caliber and you put the Nemesis in the hand of a top shooter ( i am a good shooter, not a top shooter ),i think the Nemesis would perform on par with those rifles shot by top or would not be far behind...
For years i thought .4--.5 was the limit of accuracy until i shoot my first .1, i am confident that the Nemesis would hold is part... But that just me... for now... JP.
 
ghostie said:
No, it's not about you. Roger is something of a "legend" in our part of the world. The reason he could give an honest assessment of the Nemesis compared to other accurate rifles is because he seems to own just about every accurate rifle available (check out his videos), and has shot most of the rest. He puts in an unbelievable amount of trigger time, and his technique is as solid as it gets. He has shown me 5 shot groups that look like one slightly misshapen bullet hole.

Somebody that owns and shoots a WA 2000, Mauser SR-93, DSR-1, Blaser R93, AX, AE, AW, AWM, AWSM, PGW Coyote, Unique Alpine TPG-1 (and 2), Barrett MRAD, SAKO TRG-21, 22, 42, Heym SR30, custom Remingtons, SIG Sauer 205, SSG 3000, and on, and on, and on, is uniquely position to give an unbiased opinion about the quality and accuracy of an accurate rifle. What does he care if a new type of rifle lives up to the hype? He has them all anyway... and alot of what he has most of the rest of us have only seen in the movies.

Most people are "homers" for their own rifle, including me. I'm a booster for AW and SSG69, as those are my "thing". Roger doesn't have that problem, that's why I'd like to hear his view. Next time I see him I'll ask him.
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Is Roger something of a legend because he owns so many high end expensive guns or because he consistantly takes the gold in competitions and is known for preformance ? I ask because after watching the vids of Roger shooting without seeing bullet holes i have cause to wonder . While shooting his Nemisis there is no loading of the bipod on a hard surface , the trigger appears yanked , Roger seems to have a serious eye blink/flinch upon firing , there is no follow through and while the left hand on the right bicep works , a rear bag works better . Then when we see him shoot the next two rifles , the first may be a Savage while the second an AI there is no recoil management with him loosely holding the butts to his shoulder with both rifles and he's getting booted . So , if he's a gold medal shooter , great , if he only owns expensive guns then his opinion is no more valid than JP's reports . As to guys using the term "benchrest" in this thread , why ? The Nemisis is a long range precision/sniper/ tactical type rifle , not a benchrest gun . I've never seen a Nemisis and don't know Caramel or Roger but if Roger shoots all of his high end guns the same way he shot the three in the vid i kinda doubt we'll get an accurate preformance appraisal . Of course i may be wrong as Roger may be an F-Class , sniper class , TR class , benchrest champ that can shoot the eyes out of a snake at 300 yards and has the cups , medals , trophies and awards . No disrespect meant to Roger and no disrespect meant to Carmel just because i'd like to mic some of his groups .
 
Do you have those .1 targets to show us? I have shot groups into .2 with the .308 Win.
It's been better than .4 - .5 always and it was a benchrest cartridge in the 60's. The 30BR is even more accurate.
I like the rifle concept don't get me wrong, but your claims need to be validated.
As Eagleye stated, it's not going to appeal to everyone. I prefer a full stock and heavy guns for precision shooting.
 
caramel said:
Look at my video an evaluate my stance... JP.
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At the risk of sounding like an a##hole, my only critique would be that your trigger finger seems to spend A LOT of time inside the trigger guard before you are ready to break the shot. After your first shot you can see that it's the first thing you do after cycling the bolt, even before you've adjusted/loaded your bipod. From the look of the groups you have posted with this rifle it doesn't appear to be affecting your shooting though ;)
 
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