Could You help me dating this Norinco M14?

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Well, so i've found an used, "unfired" Norinco M14 on an online auction here in Italy.

Sure it is unfired. Judging by the pics it's still filled with cosmoline.
Bolt looks unfired - no signs of brass on the bolt face.

It's 500 km from me though. So, before boarding the first train i'd like to know..

Owner sent me the pics, the left side of the receiver reads "
M14 .308
CJA SFLD MICH
MADE IN CHINA

Serial number is 0034XX

No stamping whatsoever, on the receiver heel or on the right side.

Is that an older, pre-94 rifle?
It's bearing a real fluted flash suppressor, not the fake one. No bayo lug though.

What year could this rifle be?
AFAIK, this one sample could have been sitting in safes all over the world for 20 years..
 
"...Is that an older, pre-94 rifle?..." Has to be. 'CJA SFLD MICH' would be the old U.S. importer. Forget the actual name.
 
sunray said:
"...Is that an older, pre-94 rifle?..." Has to be. 'CJA SFLD MICH' would be the old U.S. importer. Forget the actual name.
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One of those rifles that brought the bad reputation about Chicom M14s, huh?
I guess I'll pass up to that.
 
it's an old one alright, but that doesn't necessarily mean its got problems- my serial is older than that and it's served me faithfully since 1990-and i have one of the ones with the angle grind and the blued receiver- and it's a THREE DIGIT serial number- no 0000s in front and just the rinco star on the side
 
GLADIO, that rifle was exported from China in late 1993 or early 1994. In April 1983, the People’s Armed Police Force was formed out of the People’s Liberation Army in China. The People’s Armed Police Force is tasked with protecting government buildings and providing security to public corporations and for large public gatherings. Some time later, China Jing An (No. 25, Xitangzi Lane North Wang Fu Jing Street Beijing 10006 People’s Republic of China) was formed as an arms export firm for the financial interests of the People’s Armed Police Force. China Jing An (CJA) operated its business in Southfield, Michigan from 1989 until at least 1997.
 
First, take her out to a nice meal. Some expensive wine, good conversation.
Then a nice walk along the beach.
If your lucky you can bring her home slide off that safety and pop a few off.

She may be old but she sounds like shes still tight. :p

Tim
 
Different said:
GLADIO, that rifle was exported from China in late 1993 or early 1994. In April 1983, the People’s Armed Police Force was formed out of the People’s Liberation Army in China. The People’s Armed Police Force is tasked with protecting government buildings and providing security to public corporations and for large public gatherings. Some time later, China Jing An (No. 25, Xitangzi Lane North Wang Fu Jing Street Beijing 10006 People’s Republic of China) was formed as an arms export firm for the financial interests of the People’s Armed Police Force. China Jing An (CJA) operated its business in Southfield, Michigan from 1989 until at least 1997.
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Wow. Different himself responding to my call. I feel honored.

I guessed right, thinking it was from the late preban era.
I saw some Norc M14 online, serial number 0030XX, and it was a US owner.

Well, i tell You, i don't know what to do.
It's not that great of a deal anyway, the owner is asking for 700EUR0 for the rifle alone. Current, 2007 marked rifles can be bought at fun shops can be bought NIB for 1000EUR.
And they come with all the better features 2007 rifles have:
better parkerizing, better finish, real slotted flash suppressor, and interchangeable bolts to USGI ones.

Again, remember I'm in Italy: there's no bolt swap here. In the event of loose headspace, the rifle becomes a wall hanger.
At least, IIRC, i could do the bolt swap myself, on a 2007 rifle. right?
 
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timoram said:
First, take her out to a nice meal. Some expensive wine, good conversation.
Then a nice walk along the beach.
If your lucky you can bring her home slide off that safety and pop a few off.

She may be old but she sounds like shes still tight. :p

Tim
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You beat me to it!
 
powmia56 said:
Why? Elaborate please.
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what he's saying is there is NO supply chain of replacement parts available , usgi or anything else, and/or it's impossible to get any- probably due to their gun laws- unless you know somebody's "uncle guido" who happens to work in a machine shop or one of the large gun makers- come to think of it, marstar is supposed to have some "european " made m14s coming out shortly- would you be able to source one of those?
 
powmia56 said:
Why? Elaborate please.
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Okay, take a seat. It'll be a long story.

1) get an USGI bolt. Not from the States, since I'm not going through all the paperwork implied with importing an assault weapon part. I'll need to fill in paperwork on my side though, for importing an essential firearm part ( such as a bolt, barrel, magazine ). I'll have to contact a dealer, fill an Import request, go through Customs. that alone will take time and money.
2) the bolt will arrive at a gun shop of choice. Said gunshop is not entitled to swap the two bolts. I'll have to contact a Firearms Manufacturer/Repairer License holder to do the swap and certify his job. There's very little of them in Italy. Traveling 300 miles and stay there to instruct him about the job to be done, wich he has no clue about - since M14s aren't that popular here.

3) after the job is done, the modified firearm will be shipped to the Banco Nazionale in Gardone Valtrompia - the Italian State Proof house. They'll test fire the weapon, make sure no marks/serials have been modified, that the job - again - has been done legally and safely - and they'll ship it back to my FFL - or i can get it back myself. It's in the northernest part of Italy. 450+kms from me.

The whole bolt swap thing would cost me more than a brand new 2007 Norinco M14. And I don't love filling up paperwork.

I'd end up with a wall hanger, believe me.
 
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