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The M14's at Canada Ammo. Why are they so much cheaper than the ones at Marstar?

What is the difference between the M14/M1A/M305 anyway? Forgive me if I'm blind but I don't think this is in the sticky posts up there.
 
Honestly, sometimes I think it just boils down to brand recognition. Springfield M1A vs. Norinco M305 is essentially the difference. Norinco produces a rifle with a ton of potential and a great base to build off of, but it's rough around the edges without a doubt. The biggest perk over the SA versions is of course the forged receiver, and the ability to tighten the parts up as was done on the Springfield versions. I'm a little rusty on my M305 facts, but IIRC that's the basics. I think the Norinco's are fantastic value.
 
Current pricing information isn't the sort of thing that belongs in pinned / sticky threads.

The M14's at Canada Ammo. Why are they so much cheaper than the ones at Marstar?

To actually answer your question, the pricing on Canada Ammo's website is outdated by about a year or more; they haven't updated it since then because they haven't had them in stock.
 
M305 and the M1A are the same rifle pretty much.The M14 by definition are prohib but are commonly called when people talk about the M305/M1A.

The M14 is the name for the rifle used by the US army which was select fire capable of full auto. Like Katana said, a lot of people often also refer to the civilian semi auto (M1A/M305) version as M14s because the name is more well known and they have the same visual caracteristics other than the select fire switch. It's a lot like when people refer to an AR as a M16/M4.
 
Here's a car analogy as my answer.


M14

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M1A

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M305

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The M14's at Canada Ammo. Why are they so much cheaper than the ones at Marstar?
IN your case it sounds like they have older prices due to lack of stock but at other times it can be sales or getting rid of old stock. Happens with SKS all the time.

What is the difference between the M14/M1A/M305 anyway? Forgive me if I'm blind but I don't think this is in the sticky posts up there.
M14 has a select switch for full auto, M1A is the US rifle, and the M305 is the clone from China. (M305 is also metric while the others are imperial.)
M305s are a LOT cheaper as well and need tweaking to become more accurate but are a great value.
 
I would argue that the M1A and M305 are definitely NOT basically the same rifle.

The M14 is the US military rifle, capable of being fired in full auto (though not all of them were issued with the selector switch and connector installed on them, the receivers all had the lug for the sear trip). These are all prohibited in Canada and cannot be owned by most people nor generally taken out to the range and enjoyed.

The M1A is the Springfield Armory rifle, made after the M14, but is a civilian-specific, semi-auto only rifle that is incapable of being easily adapted for full auto fire. There are many variants/versions of this rifle made by other companies, including JRA, LRB, Armscorp, etc etc. Norinco/Polytech/Dominion Arms also makes their variation, so I guess in that respect, it is "the same type of rifle".

The Springfield Armory. rifles are made of a cast receiver, and have other bits that are cast. Some people will argue that these are not as good quality, etc. I tend to agree, but that's just my own personal feeling about cast parts - I don't have enough experience with these guns to say "the cast is worse", I simply know that I prefer a forging to a cast part, in general, when there is an option. But a properly cast part, that's properly heat treated, can definitely be a good quality part. There has been talk about the Springfield Armory cast receivers not being very good, dimensionally or heat-treat wise. That's the single biggest reason that I decided NOT to build my gun off of a SA receiver.

BUTTTTT.... the Norinco rifles are far lower quality, in general. Especially the pieces added on to the receiver to make the rifle. The receiver itself is a forged receiver made to the same dimensional specs as the original M14 (minor full auto bits, of course). It seems to be able to be had with quite good dimensional tolerances, so as long as you get one with good heat-treating (some years had awful heat treating), you might have a decent receiver to base a decent rifle off of. It's not going to be an LRB or JRA, but it'll be decent. This is what I built my gun off of, but the only thing left on it that is Norinco is the receiver. Everything else is USGI or USGI-spec.

So there you have it.... If you go buy an M305, do NOT expect it to be up to the same quality and accuracy as the Springfield Armory M1A, and definitely not up to the same quality and accuracy as the LRB/JRA/etc (good quality US made guns). But if your purchasing it for a bear/moose/truck/zombie gun, it's a great gun at a really great price. Just know what you're buying - you're not buying a single hole at 9,000 yards gun. You're buying a copy of a battle rifle designed to shoot men at a few hundred yards decently enough. If you go buy a Springfield Armory M1A, expect to still have to do some tuning on it. It won't be perfect from the factory, and there have been numerous people I've talked to, and heard of, who have had significant/serious issues right out of the box (SA has a lifetime warranty, so it WILL generally get fixed, but you also generally shouldn't have to send a rifle in right out of the box for repairs). If you go buy an LRB or JRA or similar rifle, get out your wallet, take out all your credit cards, and cut them up after buying the gun. You likely won't be buying anything else for a while. But it will be a sweet, sweet rifle. But it's STILL NOT A SNIPER RIFLE. It's still a semi-auto battle rifle, designed to hit men at a few hundred yards. You can't expect pinhole groups with any of these guns.
 
By the time you tweak any M14 variant to the max you will still not have a gun that would be as accurate as the Alberta Tactical Modern Hunter (just to present an unrestricted alternative) and you would have certainly spent more $$$ on your M14.

Some M14 shooter can post a good group here or there, but day in and day out the AR platform will outshoot it.

I'm not saying this because I'm a fan boy of either rifle. It's just true.

The M14 is cool, nostalgic and fun to shoot. It's also fundamentally very reliable. Just don't think it's ever going to be a tack driver.

If you are in it for the fun, save your cash and go Chinese. If you want or need it to be accurate - you are better off with something else.

If you'd like to find an accurate M305, then just buy 2 of them. Take them both to the range, select the most accurate one and sell the other.... repeat as needed.
 
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Thanks for all the good info and effort in replies. I'm definitely not an accuracy Nazi. I also don't believe you need pin hole accuracy to snipe unless you're doing it from 1500 yards away or some ridiculous distance. I also don't believe a sniper rifle is a sniper rifle until it's used for that job. I think people are way too anal about accuracy. No need unless you're a competition shooter. It just needs to be accurate enough for battle riffle standards which is relatively close quarters in comparison. Isn't the average rifle battle within a couple hundred yards or so? Think I've read something like that...
 
I would argue that the M1A and M305 are definitely NOT basically the same rifle.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Norinco rifles are created from the same machinery the original SA rifles were made from...with the same design plans purchased. So they actually physically are the same, with the Norcs built to a much, much lower quality standard.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Norinco rifles are created from the same machinery the original SA rifles were made from...with the same design plans purchased. So they actually physically are the same, with the Norcs built to a much, much lower quality standard.

Someone will be along shortly to correct you.
 
By the time you tweak any M14 variant to the max you will still not have a gun that would be as accurate as the Alberta Tactical Modern Hunter (just to present an unrestricted alternative) and you would have certainly spent more $$$ on your M14.

Some M14 shooter can post a good group here or there, but day in and day out the AR platform will outshoot it.

I'm not saying this because I'm a fan boy of either rifle. It's just true.

The M14 is cool, nostalgic and fun to shoot. It's also fundamentally very reliable. Just don't think it's ever going to be a tack driver.

If you are in it for the fun, save your cash and go Chinese. If you want or need it to be accurate - you are better off with something else.

If you'd like to find an accurate M305, then just buy 2 of them. Take them both to the range, select the most accurate one and sell the other.... repeat as needed.

Dude no offense but there's NO WAY you'll spend five or six grand on an M1A. Like ever.

Even a top notch LRB would run you 3600 or so. I guess if you ordered it with a jae or sage stock then you're close, but then it's just being a bit gratuitous.

The modern hunter is a cool platform, but in all honesty, it's quite a silly gun. Over five grand for a new manufacture gun? I'd rather buy an M1A, a sg542, and still have sooner cash for bullets and powder....
 
The Taiwanese Chinese bought the machinery and tooling to make their own and they still do.

Norinco/Polytech are mainland communist Chinese, who reverse engineered the M14 as the M305 for their own purposes and now sell them commercially in Canada, and for a short while in the USA
 
I'm not getting involved in these conversations here and my recommendation is that others don't either. There are a few guys who actually get angry about this stuff. I'd suggest that you read Lee Emerson's M14 rifle history and development but then someone here that would like to be acknowledged as a better source may just spray us all with 7.62mm insults.
 
The Taiwanese Chinese bought the machinery and tooling to make their own and they still do.

Norinco/Polytech are mainland communist Chinese, who reverse engineered the M14 as the M305 for their own purposes and now sell them commercially in Canada, and for a short while in the USA

Thanks for clarifying the facts. :cheers:
 
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