Couple rifles, revolvers, and beyonets. -Lots of pics.

geoff-9 · Sep 11, 2012

achtanelion · Sep 11, 2012

Well, you could start by handing back everything but the P17, since everything other than that is antique and does not require liscencing.

As for values, here's my WAGs

The percussion shotgun, seems to be in fairly nice shape, somewhere in the $200-$500 range.

P17, not my bag, no comment

The french 1873, $1100-$1500 or thereabouts

The flare gun, not my bag, no comment

The mark IV, Stock damage, stock appears to have been scrubbed and refinished, neglected action, $200-$500

The mark III, stock may have been scrubbed, may not, $400-$800

The musket, what happened to the barrel on the RHS just ahead of the breech? Did someone use a wrench to get the breechplug out? That poor stock, it'd be a tough repair for someone like me. Tough call, but I'm going to say $200-$450 in current condition, less if inexpertly repaired.

The spencer, no guess. How did you clean the marks off the action? As a general rule for just tidying things up, gentle solvents are OK, scrubbing is not.

The cutlery, not my bag, no guesses, but you might want to check fit of the second bayo on the martinis and try fitting the presumed spencer bayo to the rifle. It looks like the correct one.

The ball flask, maybe $50-$75 and the powder flask around the same, maybe a bit lower.

Keep in mind that all these values are nothing more than wild ass guesses based on what I've seen them for (asking not sold for prices) what I might feel like paying, the phase of the moon and which side my hair's parted on. Their correspondence to realistic prices is not to be assumed.

HTH

J

mooncoon · Sep 11, 2012

the musket is actually a percussion fowler. given the stock damage I would say $150 - $200 locally. I am guessing the Spencer rifle is actually a carbine; I don't think the rifles had those rings on the side. Can't see how long the barrel is but the carbine had around a 20" or so barrel and the rifle around 30". What is the bore like in the Spencer?

cheers mooncoon

geoff-9 · Sep 11, 2012

mooncoon said:
the musket is actually a percussion fowler. given the stock damage I would say $150 - $200 locally. I am guessing the Spencer rifle is actually a carbine; I don't think the rifles had those rings on the side. Can't see how long the barrel is but the carbine had around a 20" or so barrel and the rifle around 30". What is the bore like in the Spencer?

cheers mooncoon

thanks for the responses thus far.
i cleaned the spencer with a simple whipe, came off fairly easily.

the spencer has what i believe to be a magazine that come out the buttstock. the wood kept up very well and is in great condition, but all the metal componenets are a little corroded, the bore is clean but not perfect.

the barrel appears to be a 30" but ill get some more pics up later tonight and you can have a good look.

plinker 777 · Sep 11, 2012

2nd Bayonet is for a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 I do believe and in good shape, if it hasn't been sharpened. $$? My guess would be $80-$120, perhaps a wee bit more if condition is there.

The "musket" is a cap lock rifle and at one time was a fine firearm {note silver inlay}. Probably 1870's-80's. What caliber is/was it in? The stock is fu<ked my friend and unless it is made by a very collectable maker {and it may well be???} the cost to re-stock the old girl would be prohibitive. Good for parts though. Does the lock function?

Saw back Bayo, may well be Swiss from around the First war. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. Mooncoon won't steer you wrong.

geoff-9 · Sep 11, 2012

plinker 777 said:
2nd Bayonet is for a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 I do believe and in good shape, if it hasn't been sharpened. $$? My guess would be $80-$120, perhaps a wee bit more if condition is there.

The "musket" is a cap lock rifle and at one time was a fine firearm {note silver inlay}. Probably 1870's-80's. What caliber is/was it in? The stock is fu<ked my friend and unless it is made by a very collectable maker {and it may well be???} the cost to re-stock the old girl would be prohibitive. Good for parts though. Does the lock function?

Saw back Bayo, may well be Swiss from around the First war. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. Mooncoon won't steer you wrong.

the musket lock is not good, the whole rifle i was expecting to not be worth much so was planning on having it as a display covering the one side as only one side is badly damaged. no idea on the caliber. cant find much on George Paisley so im guessing not a famous maker. plus the butt stock looks like someone took a carving knife to it at the cheak area.
a shame.

none of the bayonets have been sharpened. all original.
your right about the p17 beyonet. fits perfectly.

bearhunter · Sep 11, 2012

plinker 777 said:
2nd Bayonet is for a Lee Enfield No1 Mk3 I do believe and in good shape, if it hasn't been sharpened. $$? My guess would be $80-$120, perhaps a wee bit more if condition is there.

The "musket" is a cap lock rifle and at one time was a fine firearm {note silver inlay}. Probably 1870's-80's. What caliber is/was it in? The stock is fu<ked my friend and unless it is made by a very collectable maker {and it may well be???} the cost to re-stock the old girl would be prohibitive. Good for parts though. Does the lock function?

Saw back Bayo, may well be Swiss from around the First war. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. Mooncoon won't steer you wrong.

The second bayonet is actually for the P17 and worth anywhere from $100-$150, depending on the buyers mood.

The Sawback is for the Gew 88 or 98. Not sure of the value but the sawback is still there, which is unusual in itself. After WWI the serrated backs were supposed to be ground off. That makes the bayonet a likely vet bringback, worth $200+

green · Sep 11, 2012

From the 1913 and Brit stamps on the bayonet it would be a Pattern 1913 for the Pattern 1914 rifle IMHO.

geoff-9 · Sep 12, 2012

bearhunter said:
The second bayonet is actually for the P17 and worth anywhere from $100-$150, depending on the buyers mood.

The Sawback is for the Gew 88 or 98. Not sure of the value but the sawback is still there, which is unusual in itself. After WWI the serrated backs were supposed to be ground off. That makes the bayonet a likely vet bringback, worth $200+

interesting, everything is coming together now. there is a (now i know as you mentioned it and i looked it up) Gew 88 in the collection of rifles but i did not post it as is missing the bolt and trigger guard.
its interesting learning more about the collection and what everything is. you folks are very knowledgeable

green said:
From the 1913 and Brit stamps on the bayonet it would be a Pattern 1913 for the Pattern 1914 rifle IMHO.

I believe your right, it is a P14. my mistake. the forestock matches the p14 and not the p17. good eye.

mooncoon · Sep 12, 2012

I don't see any sign of sight dovetails on the "musket" so I am sure it was made as a smoothbore fowler. I think the stock could be repaired with patience and skill. Without seeing any stamps or maker's marks on the sawback bayonet, it could be from any one of several countries. Sawbacks were used for a while by quite a few countries. They were issued to engineering companies as a handy wood saw rather than as a particularly vicious type of bayonet.

cheers mooncoon

GrantR · Sep 12, 2012

With respect to the bayonet you think may be for the Spencer rifle, here is a thread on another forum which started out as an inquiry about interest in reproduction bayonets for the Spencer, but one chap has posted some articles about original Spencer bayonets. You may get some help there in confirming identification of your bayonet ....

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,45064.0.html

plinker 777 · Sep 12, 2012

mooncoon said:
I don't see any sign of sight dovetails on the "musket" so I am sure it was made as a smoothbore fowler. I think the stock could be repaired with patience and skill. Without seeing any stamps or maker's marks on the sawback bayonet, it could be from any one of several countries. Sawbacks were used for a while by quite a few countries. They were issued to engineering companies as a handy wood saw rather than as a particularly vicious type of bayonet.

cheers mooncoon

Good eye on the lack of dovetails!! {Told ya Mooncoon wouldn't steer you wrong

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