its been brought up before but, what we need is something the attaches to the bottom of the mag to make it the size of a 30 rounder, i remember seeing a polymer attachment in a thread somewhere but i don't think it ever made it in to production then you just treat it ass a 10/30 mag.
Coupled LAR mags and reloads
- Thread starter Farmboy
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get some airsoft mags.. couple them to the 10 round LAR mags.. chop them to the right length.. fill with foam or epoxy .. whack a magpul on to cover the hideous patch up job you've just done.. taadaa!
ergonomically correct ( better, at least ) and you can drop it all day long
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Guess where I wont be spending my money! LOL on One Shot Tactical... More of a loss of profit but anywho.
In playing with my mags, trying to flip them over in any fluid motion, comes out as pure awkwardness.
Asking about why people are practicing emergency reloads as common practice vs using a drop pouch or tactical reloads, was for my own information.
I understand dropping the mag is faster, hence it being named "Emergency Reload".
your logic for not spending with one shot, doesnt make sense.
regardless.. flipping a coupled mag over isnt hard, nor is it slow and cumbersome.. unless your wrist bones have had to be fused due to severe CTS from too much
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whats quicker, 4 mag changes for 20 rounds or just a flip of a coupled LAR mag?
it honestly doesnt take long, just need to practice
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It is off screen, but here I do it with my vz58 in 3 seconds and im not going for super fast (0:17 - 0:20 second mark)
it honestly doesnt take long, just need to practice
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It is off screen, but here I do it with my vz58 in 3 seconds and im not going for super fast (0:17 - 0:20 second mark)
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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I think the argument is more 1 mag change vs. a flip of a coupled LAR mag - both give you 20 rounds.
Coupled or no, both scenarios start with a 10 round LAR mag seated then you either drop the mag and pull out a second LAR or you release the coupled set and flip it around.
Sorry Farmboy for contributing to the derailment of your thread
I have seen a few guys who have practiced get the "flip" method down pat. IMHO it doesn't beat the drop it a grab a new one time for those that practice that meathod. I'm waiting on heklers mag extensions so that I can have properly sized mags.
As I understand it this is a discussion geared towards the 3 gun aspect of mag changes, therefor in all cases for a reload, speed rules.
I have a drop pouch on my gear and use it to hold my empties etc, when I'm done shooting at ####.
And just so I can quote Costa, When you use a dump pouch what are you really getting, empty, twinky, twinky ahhh magazine. LOL
As I understand it this is a discussion geared towards the 3 gun aspect of mag changes, therefor in all cases for a reload, speed rules.
I have a drop pouch on my gear and use it to hold my empties etc, when I'm done shooting at ####.
And just so I can quote Costa, When you use a dump pouch what are you really getting, empty, twinky, twinky ahhh magazine. LOL
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Maybe if you a some kind of space alien
. Seriously, I would find that really, really awkward. Plus for the events I shoot in, resting the rifle on the mag is part of what we do, I don't want to rest on the feed lips of the bottom mag, and then insert this in my rifle and try to feed fresh rounds. Sounds like stoppage time to me.For 3 gun, aren't pretty much all positions shot standing? What I mean is, does it matter of you have a full length mag? If not, to me is just faster to drop and grab a new LAR from a pouch....plus that is consistent. You do that every time. You don't have to stop and think "Am I on my first 10 or second? Do I flip this one or drop it and grab a fresh one, or flip it?"
K.I.S.S. works for me. When I don't follow that principle....I have problems. I know that standard mag pouches are set for 30 round length mags but it is not hard to put filler in the bottom of the pouch so that an LAR sits high enough to be grabbed easily. I've made fillers in the past. I cut some styrofoam blocks and wrapped them in duck tape. Nearly no weight and no little styrofoam bits in your kit. Whenever I can apply duct tape to a problem I know I am on my way to a good solution.
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I think the argument is more 1 mag change vs. a flip of a coupled LAR mag - both give you 20 rounds.
Coupled or no, both scenarios start with a 10 round LAR mag seated then you either drop the mag and pull out a second LAR or you release the coupled set and flip it around.
Sorry Farmboy for contributing to the derailment of your thread
oh I think you are right my bad. I will practice flipping coupled mags and just doing a change from a pouch and see what is faster.
I think it would be awkward for people who are used to doing normal changes, but key is practice practice practice
LAR-15s with side by side couplers would be the boss. You can do it now except you are wasting the bottom 10's on both. Switching side by side coupled mags is faster than flipping the LARs and faster than drop and grab from pouch.
The true solution is the one already pointed out which is to have a LAR-15 that is a 10/30 round mag rather than a 10/10.
The true solution is the one already pointed out which is to have a LAR-15 that is a 10/30 round mag rather than a 10/10.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- SW Ontario
Not the ones I have done. Prone, sloped platforms, etc.
I suspect I am faster just doing a conventional mag change vs. flipping a coupled LAR. For me, where the couplers shine is allowing me to carry more 223 in a minimal number of kydex AR-15 mag pouches. I run a belt for three gun so space on the belt is at a premium. For guys running vests I suspect this is less of an issue but for me, on stages that require a higher round count, being able to carry 40 rounds in just 2 kydex mag pouches is the only reason for using couplers. That and like Blaxsun said, its just cool to have 20 rounds up front, even if you do have to flip it half way through.
coupled mag change :
1. turn rifle on its side
2. grip mag with left hand, thumb pointing away from rifle
3. flip mag and insert
I don't really see the point of mag extensions as I suspect the cost will exceed the current retail for an LAR mag, but if you gotta have 'em ....
And I do not favour the double coupling of mags (over under, coupled side by side) as I think it will be too clumsy to manipulate, and invite dropping 4 mags at once .... disaster
Thats my 2 coppers fwiw
1. turn rifle on its side
2. grip mag with left hand, thumb pointing away from rifle
3. flip mag and insert
I don't really see the point of mag extensions as I suspect the cost will exceed the current retail for an LAR mag, but if you gotta have 'em ....
And I do not favour the double coupling of mags (over under, coupled side by side) as I think it will be too clumsy to manipulate, and invite dropping 4 mags at once .... disaster
Thats my 2 coppers fwiw
This is what I plan to do when (or if) I go with the upper/lower couplers. For now I use the 10 rd'ers with the shortened (vietnam era) 20 rd mag pouches.
I don't think their is an "efficient" way to do it. The government didn't make mag limits because the alternatives are faster Oh, and i am boycotting one shot too, I'm not sure why, but I like to be part of "movements" early and you never know which ones are going to catch on.
Oh, and i am boycotting one shot too, I'm not sure why, but I like to be part of "movements" early and you never know which ones are going to catch on.
.30/06 FTW
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- Thunder Bay, Ontario
Maybe if you a some kind of space alien
I don't think there's a way to do it that isn't at least a little bit awkward. IMO that's just the least awkward way as you're twisting your wrist back to the way it should be as opposed to twisting it the opposite way, and trying to seat the mag with your hand upside down. Personally, if I were in a competition I wouldn't bother with LAR mags at all. They create more problems than they solve.
Most of the issues I have seen with guys running the coupled mags:
Forgetting that you still have ten rounds when you drop it on the deck,
Bobbling the reload while trying to turn the mag around,
Reloading for the third time with the same mag.
Or messing around with a quad lar 10, that's just a lot of spining around and stuff.
Now guys mess up reloads all the time, but when you're running and gunning, for me it's just faster to use the redi mag or grab on from a pouch.
I would get extensions for my LAR mags just because I feel that it makes then easier to handle, load grab from the vest etc. If they cost more than the origional mag so what. I've got a norinco m14 with a Leupold scope that cost three times what the rifle did new. We spend all sorts of money on scopes rails hadstops grips etc, if it makes my reloads smoother I'll definatley spring for the extensions.
Sosa
Forgetting that you still have ten rounds when you drop it on the deck,
Bobbling the reload while trying to turn the mag around,
Reloading for the third time with the same mag.
Or messing around with a quad lar 10, that's just a lot of spining around and stuff.
Now guys mess up reloads all the time, but when you're running and gunning, for me it's just faster to use the redi mag or grab on from a pouch.
I would get extensions for my LAR mags just because I feel that it makes then easier to handle, load grab from the vest etc. If they cost more than the origional mag so what. I've got a norinco m14 with a Leupold scope that cost three times what the rifle did new. We spend all sorts of money on scopes rails hadstops grips etc, if it makes my reloads smoother I'll definatley spring for the extensions.
Sosa
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'm actually using some pre-production extensions from Heckler. They work really for Service Rifle. Easy to grab from pouches, mono pod support from prone. All good so far.
I've used them in CQB with the ORA too which has mandatory 5 round limits and forced frequent and fast mag changes, drop empties on the ground etc. They work great for me.
Until our firearms laws get more rational with respect to mag capacities, I'll stick to the extensions. I'm not interested in having to spin mags end for end to reload. I'll screw that up for sure. But that is me.
