Cowboy Action?

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Currently I shoot IPSC AND IDPA. I want to get into Cowboy Action, it looks like loads of fun.

What do I need to do to get started? Is there a membership like IDPA and IPSC. Where can I find matches in Ontario?

What gear do I need to get and where can I find it.

I was thinking Chiappa 38/357 lever, Ruger 357 Revolver and Double Barrel .410 shotgun?

Where can I get holsters, bandoliers etc?
 
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I was thinking Chiappa 38/357 lever, Ruger 357 Revolver and Double Barrel .410 shotgun?

I have been slowly gearing my way towards this as well, but am a ways off from being able to actively participate. There will be tons of members here who will have more answers for you, yet I can quote the 2012 (ver. 18) SASS Shooters Handbook:

'Side-by-side, single shot, and lever action centerfire shotguns in .410 are allowed within the Buckaroo Category only.'

... 'Buckaroo', as in under 14 years old. Obviously, check the rules for the club you would join, yet it looks like 12ga. is the way to go.

A couple sites I found to be interesting reads, if a bit out of date:

http://www.gunblast.com/JimTaylor_CAS.htm

http://www.curtrich.com/GettingStarted01.html

Where can I get holsters, bandoliers etc?

A little searching can find some gems within Canada for quality leather works; I would steer away from the mass-market stuff like Triple K, as quality and fit/finish can vary wildly from product to product.
 
even if the rules permitted it, 410 seems a dubious choice because I think the shotguns are used to knock steel targets down and I would expect the 410 to possibly fail on marginal hits

cheers mooncoon
 
Have a look at the requirements posted on the Single Action Shooting Society's website, under "Shooters Handbook" at www.sassnet.com
Basically, you need two single action revolvers, a pistol calibre rifle, lever or pump-action and a SxS shotgun using extractors, (rather than ejectors) or a 1897 pump-action shotgun (external hammer) and your holsters and costume.

Lead bullets only w/o gas checks, jackets, plated or copper washed. Shotgun shells no larger than #4 shot and must not be magnum or high velocity.

There are a number of categories you can shoot in, dependent on the firearms, sights, clothing even the age of the participant.
I've been in it for about 11 years and found it to be a lot of fun.
I hope you can join us.
For pictures and to get an idea of what is going on, have a look at our website at www.ovmcowboys.ca
 
Most of it has been covered, but if you want to be serious, you need to consider some quality guns, and in particular what kind of shotgun you are going to shoot. Nothing wrong with 2 x Ruger for the pistols, there is a SASS edition. Gamers prefer 38s, the 45s seem to move off the shelf faster. What I would really like are the combos that shoot 45 acp or 9mm, you can run those in the pistols and rifles, but that is a definite off the wall suggestion. I just like the ammo prices, and a variety of other things. The ammo is probably too strong though.

Shotguns you want to consider seriously, because that is often the gun that wins the comps. Most people will run even on the other guns, but the extreme amount of shell manipulation that they added to the game to make all types of gun similar, is a real factor in choosing what way you want to go. Consider getting, or renting the Evil Roy tapes, you can see short sections on youtube, but there are a lot of good free vids on youtube of other guys shooting.

The other thing to consider shotgun wise, and otherwise, is Wild Bunch. This is a new and popular secondary match type based off the Wild Bunch movie, which is set around the time of the expeditionary war in Mexico. So you are allowed pump shotgun, basically only the 97 with ammo loaded, and a 1911, which I suppose you may have. Carbine is the usual. This match is particularly popular with IPSC crossovers, though it is not shot like IPSC. Cowboy action is set up to be safer, so there is normally less/no training required to get, say, your holster ticket. But this does mean some historical limits like no condition one. But the point I am getting at here is a 97, second hand or Norinco, is usable for both CAS, and the WB. If you go for a double, which is the sensible choice to a certain degree (cheaper, more authentic, more durable), you will need another gun for WB, and that is just crazy on all the manipulations you would need to learn.

Carbine wise, you may prefer to look now at better gear you won't outgrow. A race tuned 73 short stroke. If you want to go cheaper, both the marlin, and the Rossi 92 with some smoothing, can be a good kit. The Marlin is probably the better gun, but who knows where the quality is now. Some gear is for sale most of the time, so you might consider that. Actually I have a 92 for sale, less than one box through it, and I have all the gear and video for the tune-up. Can you say that here, or does it have to be in the for sale forums? I also am selling leather, though I probably won't get set-up on this forum till my XMAS rush is over.
 
You're right. It IS a lot of fun!

The other guys have covered the guns pretty well. I'd like to add two things.

Ruger makes a GREAT cowboy gun. But it isn't historically accurate due to the modern internal action. Some of us want to experience the old style guns more accurately. If you like that idea then you want to be looking at Pietta or Uberti for your guns. The 1873 clones from both of these companies use actions that are either faithful copies or that use a modified spring and plunger for the hand on an otherwise faithful copy of the original "4 click" Colt action.

If you go this route you won't go wrong with either company's guns. I opted to go with Pietta and have zero regrets. The guns started out smooth and are only getting even smoother with use.

If you go for Ruger watch out for issues with the models that have adjustable sights. You can use them in Cowboy Shooting but they are limited to which classes they can shoot in. The safer and more useable Ruger is the New Vaquero.

One thing to watch for is that regardless of caliber the guns come with an overly tall ".45" front sight blade. On .357 guns shooting light loads and light bullets the POI will be low. You'll want to settle on a load that works for you and stick with that load and then file down the front blade until the gun shoots to POA of the sights. For me that means 130gn LRNFP cast pushed by 3.9gns of Tightgroup all put into .38Spl cases. It's a medium speed .38Spl load that is running along at up around 950 to 980fps. It's well above the mouse fart loads used by some but I wanted to feel like I was shooting a gun and not a toy.

My other comment concerns your idea of a Chiappa lever gun. I would suggest you look around for reviews and experiences with this gun and especially the .357 chambered model. Other than the looks of it I have heard only about problems on the inside and precious little good. One of the local smiths cringes when he sees one come in for work because the company simply put too much into making the gun look nice and too little on making it work nice.

If you want to go with an 1892 clone to keep costs down I strongly recommend a Rossi and then get it slicked up. The cost even after the work will still be a lot less. And while the outsides of the Rossi have gone down a few notches for fit and quality of finish the insides of one I slicked up for a friend recently were still good and solid. And in fact the internals of this new gun were even better finished than my own purchased some 4 years ago.

Or buck up and find a nice older "pre-Remlin" Marlin 1894.

Finding a reliable and reasonable costing supply of lead ammo isn't easy these days. And given how much you'll be shooting I'd suggest you reload your own.... which you SHOULD be doing anyway as an IPSC and IDPA shooter. Well... unless you work enough overtime to pay for the cost of factory ammo at least... :D

Holsters and ammo belts are a whole other topic. You can pay for custom leather or buy off the rack. Myself and a few buddys went with off the rack and bought our rigs from LeatherTown USA through Ebay. Cost was a whopping $140 per rig. But I see that they've gone up to $149 now. All three rigs are doing great going into their third season of regular use about twice a month for matches and practice days. The model we all got was the fully tooled drop leg double holster rig.

After looking around I ended up making my own shotgun ammo belt. So I'm not much help on who has what. But I did find that of the ones I found that they all lacked something.
 
Lots of great info here. Best I can say, again is to download the SASS manual AND READ IT. Most clubs are not SASS affiliated but they do pay lip service to the manual when it comes to safety and categories. A well set up Cowboy shooter can expect to drop at least $3,000.00 kitting themselves out, not including backups, or if your wife wants her own set of guns. Spend your money wisely, spend your money only once!
 
My only advice - Go For It!!! I was looking for something that had some element of competition, but as I am pretty far from my 20's, I am a bit lazy for IPSC :D That's when I discovered CAS. I was introduced by another member at my local club and went along to watch a match. It looked like so much fun I just had to give it a try. The great thing you will find with Cowboy shooters is how willing they are to let you give the sport a try. It's not at all unusual for someone to lend you the guns you need to give it a try.

As others have said, it can be a little expensive getting into the sport, but don't be tempted to cheap out on your guns, and go for matching calibers for pistols & rifle. Cheaper and easier when you have a "one size fits all" setup. I shoot .38 special in both. Buy good hardware and it will last a lifetime. As far as leather is concerned, you can get starter kit for a couple of hundred (just do a Google search for cowboy action rigs) and your "costume" can be a simple as a cheap hat, checkered shirt, bluejeans and some boots.

Your best bet by far is to go along to a match and see first hand what it's all about. You will soon discover what an easy going bunch Cowboy Action shooters are - but then let's be honest, how seriously can you really take yourself when you are dressed up like John Wayne ;)

Just as an example, this is my set up:

Pistols - Ruger New Vaquero

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Rifle - Uberti 1866 Yellowboy

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Shotgun - Stoeger 12g Side by Side

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Double strong side rig & shotgun belt

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Thanks for all the advice guys.

I decided on uberti revolvers, century arms 12g shotgun and in still deciding on a lever action.

Anyone ever heard century arms double barrel shotguns?

And where do you guys get your cowboy boots and hats etc.
 
It cost me about $3200 to get set up.Thought the smart thing to do is get the wife into it.Cost me another $6500.End result priceless.Have fun and well wishes.
 
The cowboy/period costume dress up is all part of the fun and, under SASS rules for sanctioned matches is a requirement, but most posses are very tolerant about newcomers costuming.
It is fairly simple to do, even on a budget, but many of us really get into it, tailoring our outfits to the period and character we are trying to portray. (Have a look at the SASS handbook available on the website for hints: i.e. Jeans with the belt loops cut off and braces used to hold them up; any shirt with the collar removed and hemmed.)
For example, normally I dress working cowboy, but I found my namesake in the Confederate, 27th Georgia Infantry, so I am trying to put together a Confederate costume to use in some stages we have under development with a Confederate theme.
 
I've probably spent in excess of $10,000.00 on both mine and my wife's main match guns and backup guns, then there are the guns for Long Range, then there are the guns for Wild Bunch. Yes I'm an Cowboy action addict. This year the wife and I shot all over Alberta, Saskatchewan with trips to Arizona, Wyoming & Montana. My wife loves the costuming part of this. The moral of the story is, she never complains when I buy guns, ammo, gas for travelling, motels and I get to shoot 20-25 matches a year.

This is a family oriented sport with lots of participation. It is far more shooter friendly than some shooting disciplines I have competed in.
 
CBR: Another word about CAS matches; all the ones I have participated in are almost a day long event, starting around 9:00 AM and lasting until around 3:00 PM or so.
Everyone shoots a stage before moving on to the next one. We had experience with some shooters arriving thinking they could blitz shoot all 5 or 6 stages, consecutively, then depart.
In the posses I have shot with, if you're not shooting, you're helping out: Spotting, picking up brass, re-setting targets, working as a loading or unloading table officer. So be prepared to pitch in wherever needed. If your schedule permits, show up the day before to help drag out steel targets and shrouding and aid in the set-up of the stages.
 
My startup was quite a bit less. But I'm comfy enough with metal working that I shortened my own double barrel, which I bought used, and did my own slicking up work on my Rossi 92 lever rifle. But if all the guns are purchased new and the guns slicked up by a smith I can see it easily costing $3000 and more. I also went with Pietta handguns which saved me $300 or so over buying Ruger New Vaqueros.
 
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