Coyote control in urban areas.

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I figured I would post this here - because I really have no idea where to get info. My area of Surrey is a high-traffic area for coyotes, and they are becoming more and more bold - recently spotted in the daylight. Saturday night - my indoor cat got out of the house, and I believe was a victim of these f***rs. Having just lost my other cat 2 months ago to cancer, I am beyond pissed. City of Surrey animal control is of no use, as is the SPCA. They referred us to a company that deals with co-existence with coyotes. The greenbelt that is part of their hunting grounds are right next to an elementary school, and if we go by wikipedia's info about their range of 19km - there are about 5 other schools around. Not to mention the amount of children in the area.

Hunters of CGN - help me out. What can I do?
 
Get pictures and the media on board. This happened to a community just outside Regina a few years back. They hired a trapper and he took care of em. I live just on the edge of Regina and see coyotes alot. I like hearing them howl in the evenings.

Any who, best to trap em. You cant trap without a trappers licence and even then you will need to stay 500 yards out of city limit, Check your traps daily and have the land owners permission and notify any neighbours within 500 yards of your traps. Keep in mind which RM and zone your in. They may have other bylaws.

I do all my trapping quite a ways away from the city. Once your in the county the rules relax quite a bit.

See if the city will let you use live traps. A trap that wont kill our wound, its what your local animal control is supposed to use if they recieve complaints.
 
Well the city bylaw says no discharge of a firearm in city limits.... (gang bangers don't seem to care hire them?)

Conservation officers are responsible for it just say you (think) you saw one foaming at the mouth and are conserend because there are small children in the area. That will speed them up for showing up..

I've called them about problem bears they go do you want us to show up and shoot the bear I reply well if you don't I will... That speeds them up as well I also say I will even call the papers after and let them know how you refused to do your job to keep people safe or at least write fines for people that attract them in because of things around there home. 1 guy had a bear destroy his shed cost him 15,000 twice they did nothing so I said well the fine for shooting in city limits is the max of 10,000 and up to 6 months in jail your a family man so I figure they will just stick you with a fine at the worse (they can also do nothing) He went hmm the fine is cheaper then the shed I should just shoot the stupid bear.

Sometimes you got to do what you got to do... Personally if you don't like cat's being eaten don't let them out side they cause all sorts of problems from killing local wild life to ticking off people when they crap in there yard (people can make cat's disappear as well)

Some farmers had problems with bears in fields and were looking for ideas to take care of it everything from electric fences to paintball guns to dig me a hole put a bear in it. When they lose fear of people that can be a really bad thing it happens over time or if the animal is young and stupid. Bear attack in Coquitlam 1 year then they started to care. Coyotees killed a lady in Nova Scotia bring that up.
 
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haha49 said:
Sometimes you got to do what you got to do... Personally if you don't like cat's being eaten don't let them out side they cause all sorts of problems from killing local wild life to ticking off people when they crap in there yard (people can make cat's disappear as well)
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Like I said above in my original post, the cat is an indoor cat, not one that I let go outside. Aside from that - you have a bit of decent advice.
 
S1de8urnz said:
Get pictures and the media on board. This happened to a community just outside Regina a few years back. They hired a trapper and he took care of em. I live just on the edge of Regina and see coyotes alot. I like hearing them howl in the evenings.

Any who, best to trap em. You cant trap without a trappers licence and even then you will need to stay 500 yards out of city limit, Check your traps daily and have the land owners permission and notify any neighbours within 500 yards of your traps. Keep in mind which RM and zone your in. They may have other bylaws.

I do all my trapping quite a ways away from the city. Once your in the county the rules relax quite a bit.

See if the city will let you use live traps. A trap that wont kill our wound, its what your local animal control is supposed to use if they recieve complaints.
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Unfortunately I am within the city limits. I doubt I'd be able to trap/kill them myself. I'll try to see what I can do with media etc.
 
It's situations like this that make me wish we could live trap a dozen or so coyotes/skunks/raccoons/or maybe one badger and drop them off in the backyard of a PETA member.
 
No discharge of firearms in the city. That gives you two options. Bow and arrow or pellet gun. At 500 feet per second a pellet gun becomes a firearm. I don't think a pellet at 500 fps would take down a coyote though. You could always get one pellet gun powerful enough to kill them and keep a second pellet gun (499fps) to show the cops that may or may not knock on your door. Probably better off with a bow n arrow.
 
I was recently contacted through Wolftracker by a documentary filmmaker in Ontario. She's looking for folks that have lost pets and and/or are feeling threatened by invasive yotes.
Anyone that wants to talk to her can contact me here via PM or through chris@Wolftracker.ca
 
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No discharge of firearms in the city. That gives you two options. Bow and arrow or pellet gun. At 500 feet per second a pellet gun becomes a firearm. I don't think a pellet at 500 fps would take down a coyote though. You could always get one pellet gun powerful enough to kill them and keep a second pellet gun (499fps) to show the cops that may or may not knock on your door. Probably better off with a bow n arrow.
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No, most cities consider pellet guns firearms in their bylaws, no matter the fps. A lot of cities group bows in their no discharge bylaws too.
 
illae said:
I figured I would post this here - because I really have no idea where to get info. My area of Surrey is a high-traffic area for coyotes, and they are becoming more and more bold - recently spotted in the daylight. Saturday night - my indoor cat got out of the house, and I believe was a victim of these f***rs. Having just lost my other cat 2 months ago to cancer, I am beyond pissed. City of Surrey animal control is of no use, as is the SPCA. They referred us to a company that deals with co-existence with coyotes. The greenbelt that is part of their hunting grounds are right next to an elementary school, and if we go by wikipedia's info about their range of 19km - there are about 5 other schools around. Not to mention the amount of children in the area.

Hunters of CGN - help me out. What can I do?
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There is not much you can do with them Hybrid Dogs in your neighborhood.
They where there long before you and will be there long after you move.
People let their pets run freely and they in turn become food for the Coyotes.
Trash is not secured and if it is, it is brought out to the curd the night before pickup .
When the raccoons are finished dinning then the coyotes come along and feed on what is left.
Google Urban Coyotes and Los Angeles and look for the studies done there.
That will give you some insite to how resilient they are.
Then again one might try the S S S ...
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
A Fila would drive them right out... There are a few other kinds of digs that if left to roam would drive them off or kill them... Can't remember the breed type, but they're left with sheep in the mountains... My cousin had one and it killed a black bear and a few cougar...
 
Legally you are pretty much hooped as far as direct action on your part. Very frustrating situation. My daughter lives in the Mount Pleasant area (Vancouver) and lives in fear of the coyotes getting her pet. She has lined up many escape routes for him and he is kept inside dusk to dawn. She grew up in the interior of BC so has a good idea about how nature really works. The triple S concept is really the only feasible route open to you unfortunately. Get creative.
 
If you own livestock and they're hassling them, you are legally allowed to shoot them with a .22. My friend has done this a couple of times on her family farm in south Langley, I assume the law would be simillar in Surrey. She did get the OK from the municipality too. I doubt you live on any extensive property or own livestock so this may not work for you.
 
ShotgunAnus said:
No discharge of firearms in the city. That gives you two options. Bow and arrow or pellet gun. At 500 feet per second a pellet gun becomes a firearm. I don't think a pellet at 500 fps would take down a coyote though. You could always get one pellet gun powerful enough to kill them and keep a second pellet gun (499fps) to show the cops that may or may not knock on your door. Probably better off with a bow n arrow.
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I've got pellet guns that are ~500 FPS, but unfortunately I doubt I could get close enough to make a good shot. I was thinking the crossbow route, but again - I don't want to get into trouble legally.

Tikka6xc said:
Call fish & game
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I've done that - 3 times now in the space of a week. Every time I get the 'expect a phone call in a day or so' and then nothing. F&G seem to be useless.

2tall2 said:
No, most cities consider pellet guns firearms in their bylaws, no matter the fps. A lot of cities group bows in their no discharge bylaws too.
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This is my concern also.

FLHTCUI said:
There is not much you can do with them Hybrid Dogs in your neighborhood.
They where there long before you and will be there long after you move.
People let their pets run freely and they in turn become food for the Coyotes.
Trash is not secured and if it is, it is brought out to the curd the night before pickup .
When the raccoons are finished dinning then the coyotes come along and feed on what is left.
Google Urban Coyotes and Los Angeles and look for the studies done there.
That will give you some insite to how resilient they are.
Then again one might try the S S S ...
Tight Groups,
Rob
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SSS - I am guessing that means sub sonic rounds? Yeah - I hear you about them being there before us, I get that - and a ton of people in the area know there are coyotes, and as such don't have outdoor pets. Garbage is kept inside in all homes around as well.

darcy32171 said:
You need a few Greyhound Dogs.
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Doubt the gf would let me get 'em ;) We have two dogs already.

amosfella said:
A Fila would drive them right out... There are a few other kinds of digs that if left to roam would drive them off or kill them... Can't remember the breed type, but they're left with sheep in the mountains... My cousin had one and it killed a black bear and a few cougar...
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Fila - beautiful dog. I'd love one.

Bland said:
Legally you are pretty much hooped as far as direct action on your part. Very frustrating situation. My daughter lives in the Mount Pleasant area (Vancouver) and lives in fear of the coyotes getting her pet. She has lined up many escape routes for him and he is kept inside dusk to dawn. She grew up in the interior of BC so has a good idea about how nature really works. The triple S concept is really the only feasible route open to you unfortunately. Get creative.
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I've got a very good idea of how nature works also - which is why my pets are never outdoor pets. It would be ignorant on my part to have an outdoor cat and then cry foul when it gets taken from the food chain. Triple S - is that Sub sonic?

Hypox!a said:
If you own livestock and they're hassling them, you are legally allowed to shoot them with a .22. My friend has done this a couple of times on her family farm in south Langley, I assume the law would be simillar in Surrey. She did get the OK from the municipality too. I doubt you live on any extensive property or own livestock so this may not work for you.
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Unfortunately - no livestock of my own, however there are goats about 50' from my townhome - I wish they were mine so that I could legally take care of the problem.
 
No disrespect meant as to your understanding about how nature works. Just a general comment on the situation. Being a fellow pet owner I know where you are coming from. My post are sometimes pretty cryptic and can give the wrong impression.
 
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