Coyotes and Foxes

[hoytcanon]

Here come the ramifications....... look man you wanna wound coyotes with a .22 rimfire have at it. But don't promote a one shot killer from a .22 rimfire. Enough said.

You are guessing at what might happen... I have done it dozens of times... and one shot was all that was needed for a clean kill... I am not advocating going hunting coyotes with a .22 LR... I use .222, .223, .22-250, .220 Swift, .243 for the most part. But as a "pet protector/yard gun" a .22 rifle with Mini-Mag solids will do the job effectively.

But you can expound at length with your guessing.

 

[hoytcanon]

Here come the ramifications....... look man you wanna wound coyotes with a .22 rimfire have at it. But don't promote a one shot killer from a .22 rimfire. Enough said.

Here ya go... this picture is from 40 years ago with a Mossberg 151K... one Mini-Mag in the lungs... it didn't go 20 yards, and I have done it dozens of times since...

 

[canadian hunter312]

I totally agree with Hoyt. You would be very surprised how effective a solid mini mag can be, especially inside 50 yards. The comment made to suggest that no one intentionally shoots either animal with a .22LR unless they're looking to make the animal suffer is plain ridiculous. The fail is strong in that comment

Sigh...I made you cry in another thread so now you're going to follow me around? I guess I'll make you look like an idiot yet again seeing as you make it so easy...

Sure, after quite some time before it succumbs to it's injuries. Nobody intentionally shoots either animal in the lungs with a 22lr unless they're looking to make the animal suffer. However, a head shot will be effective if you limit yourself to closer shots.

Did I simply give a blanket statement that a 22lr is ineffective or inhumane? No, I clearly stated anyone who intentionally shoots either with a 22lr in the lungs is looking to make the animal suffer. I also said head shots are effective. What really grinds my gears is you guys are here are giving the OP, who is not a hunter and doesn't know any better, the impression that using a 22lr for lung shots on a coyote is somehow a good idea. On top of this nonsense you're praising the effectiveness of solid bullets for said shots.


I only fail here was posted by you....once again.

 

[1963beretta]

Sigh...I made you cry in another thread so now you're going to follow me around? I guess I'll make you look like an idiot yet again seeing as you make it so easy...



Did I simply give a blanket statement that a 22lr is ineffective or inhumane? No, I clearly stated anyone who intentionally shoots either with a 22lr in the lungs is looking to make the animal suffer. I also said head shots are effective. What really grinds my gears is you guys are here are giving the OP, who is not a hunter and doesn't know any better, the impression that using a 22lr for lung shots on a coyote is somehow a good idea. On top of this nonsense you're praising the effectiveness of solid bullets for said shots.


I only fail here was posted by you....once again.

Mr. Trudeau...is that you? Dont flatter yourself!

 

[hoytcanon]

I only fail here was posted by you....once again.

You kinda got that right...

You certainly have difficulty reading... writing is not a strong suit either... I suspect comprehension is somewhat lacking also.

 

[canadian hunter312]

Anyone who thinks a 22lr can't or shouldn't be used to kill a coyote is out to lunch. I've killed many around the farm with one.

Some drop in their tracks. Some run off and find somewhere to pile up and die. But in the end if you hit vitals you have a dead yote.

I shot one just last weekend with the 22lr. It was early morning and I was going out to shoot a coon that I saw run into the shed. When I came back out of the house from grabbing the .22 I spotted a coyote coming across the field in the direction of the buildings (they come by looking for cats).

I circled around the back side of the shed where it couldn't see me and waited. He came within about 75 yards, must have smelled me there and turned the other direction. I let out a yelp and when he stopped and turned back to look I shot it.

I knew it was a good hit because he turned and took a couple bites at his side then took off over the hill stumbling a few times.

I waited it out for about an hour and then went and followed the tracks in the snow. There were two more spots with blood in the snow where it had stopped and messed around before the tracks entered the bush.

I found him about 20 feet inside the edge of the bush piled up beside some thick brush dead as can be. Entrance hole in his lungs. Where it died was about 275 yards from where I shot it.

If you hit vitals the yote may run off but it isn't going to go far.

If you don't hit vitals I don't care what caliber of firearm you used to shoot it, you're going to end up with an injured coyote running around for a long time.

Yes, I think there are more effective caliber choices for coyote. If I'm actually out hunting for them my main rifle is a 25-06. But for close range pest control the .22lr is perfectly capable of doing what you need it to do.

Close range + hit vitals = dead yote.

You think a "good hit" results in a 275 yard recovery and allowing them to "run off somewhere to pile up and die" is acceptable? Thanks for proving why lungs shots with a 22lr are such a great idea.

 

[canadian hunter312]

Mr. Trudeau...is that you? Dont flatter yourself!

No rebuttal, just another idiotic post. I'm starting to notice a pattern with you.

You kinda got that right...

You certainly have difficulty reading... writing is not a strong suit either... I suspect comprehension is somewhat lacking also.

It appears you're following the same pattern as your little sidekick.

 

[hoytcanon]

You think a "good hit" results in a 275 yard recovery and allowing them to "run off somewhere to pile up and die" is acceptable? Thanks for proving why lungs shots with a 22lr are such a great idea.

I have not had one go 50 yards when lung shot with a Mini-Mag and usually half that... in fact the Mini-Mag @ 50 yards results in basically the same terminal effectiveness as a .223 55 V-Max at 150 yards, IME... I don't know of anyone that would not shoot a coyote at 150 with a .223. As always use your head regarding distance and shot placement considering the tool that you are using. I have proven a .22 LR with Mini-Mag solid to be thoroughly effective many times over... and I surmise that you are speaking hypothetically... from your armchair keyboard.

 

[broadhead67]

I just bought a 12g over .222 - Anatonio Zoli , will be topped with a 1 x4 red dot . Also grabbed a ground blind and an electronic predator call . Highly recommend something like this set up . Good for all ranges I’m comfortable with . I don’t like Coyotes..
Ps : I watched a utube vid where a guy took a standard vel. 22 at 300 m was going right through a 5 lb roast wrapped up in a pair of jeans that was also wrapped in ducttape . I prefer something with more power but don’t sell it short .

 

[cdn1canhunt]

Here is my initial post

A .22 Long rifle rimfire can kill a coyote. But it would likely take multiple hits even from 50yrds. There will always be some that say they are effective but don't drink the Kool aid. Stick to at the very least .22winmag and and keep shots to 70-80yrds. As I type this, I expect ramifications. If anyone wants more info on coyotes vs the .22 LR rimfire do a search there is lots of fodder

In the first sentence I stated "a .22 rimfire can kill a coyote." I stand by my statement that it's not an effective coyote round. Then gave a resonable suggestion for something still rimfire that would be better suited for coyote control around a rural home. I even suggested that they do a search so we didn't have to have a ridiculous debate about .22 RF and killing coyotes.

It appears that you can't unopened a can of worms so my apologies

 

[kodiakjack]

...I guess I'll make you look like an idiot...

You misspelled “myself”.

... I clearly stated anyone who intentionally shoots either with a 22lr in the lungs is looking to make the animal suffer...

 

[1963beretta]

No rebuttal, just another idiotic post. I'm starting to notice a pattern with you.



It appears you're following the same pattern as your little sidekick.

You’re not fooling anyone. The responses you incite from others are a testament to that. Your problem is that you try to formulate statements based on zero knowledge or experience, make yourself look like a fool, and then tuck your tail between your legs and run off to avoid further embarrassment.

Im done providing you rebuttals. You’re not capable of processing them and when you realize that you cannot come up with a coherent response, you disappear like nothing happened.

Sounds like a typical leftist to me

 

[1963beretta]

Sigh...I made you cry in another thread so now you're going to follow me around? I guess I'll make you look like an idiot yet again seeing as you make it so easy...



Did I simply give a blanket statement that a 22lr is ineffective or inhumane? No, I clearly stated anyone who intentionally shoots either with a 22lr in the lungs is looking to make the animal suffer. I also said head shots are effective. What really grinds my gears is you guys are here are giving the OP, who is not a hunter and doesn't know any better, the impression that using a 22lr for lung shots on a coyote is somehow a good idea. On top of this nonsense you're praising the effectiveness of solid bullets for said shots.


I only fail here was posted by you....once again.

Every hunter I know agrees that a well placed shot to the vitals is a much more ethical shot then a head shot. But your last sentence pretty much explains it all

 

[jiffx2781]

You think a "good hit" results in a 275 yard recovery and allowing them to "run off somewhere to pile up and die" is acceptable? Thanks for proving why lungs shots with a 22lr are such a great idea.

If your comprehension skills weren't lacking you would understand from reading my post that I use a much larger caliber firearm when hunting. HOWEVER in the story I told in my post I wasn't hunting was I?

I had a problem coyote coming around the buildings in the daytime. In those situations you're not always prepared and need to respond the best you're able to. And if a .22lr is all you have at your convenience that's too bad for the coyote now isn't it?

So to answer your question... Do I think the shot I took and the results it produced was acceptable? ABSOLUTELY

I used the tool I had on hand at the moment and ended up with a dead coyote that won't be coming back to bother anything around my place again.

So far all they've killed is a few cats and they've gotten into a tussle with the dog which resulted in my dog needing stitches.

Maybe next time it could be worse. Could kill my dog maybe? Could come after my 3 year old kid maybe? Who knows.

So ya, I think what I did is perfectly acceptable.

If something like this isn't happening to you could you kindly fu@& off and stop telling others what is or isn't acceptable. Your inner Liberal is really starting to show.

There is a saying that goes something like this: Its better to remain silent and look like a fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubts. Think about it will you?

 

[08A42.0t]

I appreciate all who have commented. As I have not received my PAL and/or RPAL my options are limited. My first purchase is likely a .223. I will be more comfortable riding myself of the critters. What do I do with the carcass if and when I put something down?

 

[CV32]

I appreciate all who have commented. As I have not received my PAL and/or RPAL my options are limited. My first purchase is likely a .223. I will be more comfortable riding myself of the critters. What do I do with the carcass if and when I put something down?

Ontario Reg 666/98 will have application to your question.

 

[Papaclaude]

Ontario Reg 666/98 will have application to your question.

Here is the relevant part of the Reg:

12. (1) For the purpose of subsection 48 (1) of the Act, the holder of a small game licence may, without any other licence, sell pelts of furbearing mammals that were killed under that licence during the open season. O. Reg. 172/13, s. 8.

(2) If the holder of a small game licence also holds a licence to possess a pelt referred to in subsection 3.1 (3), he or she may sell the pelt of any species of furbearing mammal for which a small game licence may be issued under the Act. O. Reg. 172/13, s. 8.

(3) The holder shall produce the licence or proof of the existence of the licence under which the furbearing mammal was killed or possessed at the time of sale. O. Reg. 666/98, s. 12 (3).

If you know a trapper, you can give him the pelt(s), but bear in mind that most won't really be interested if they have a gaping hole in them (at least it used to be the case with foxes). If you know of any kids going through a "mountain man" phase, we used to love home tanning all kinds of pelts to hone our survivalist skills. With some very, very, interesting results (as well as fragrant) results at times. Some of the ecosystems that develop on some such projects can be downright amazing (to the great dismay of mothers and sisters). God, this post brings back some fine memories.

I think I'll go write another story about my life as a young "coureur des bois".

 

[yomomma]

Shoot,shovel,shut up.

Section 31 of the Fish andWildlife#Conservation#Act#addresses “protection of property” from#wildlife. Under section 31, anyone who believes that#wildlife#is damaging or is about to damage their property, may, on their own land, harass or kill the offendingwildlife

I appreciate all who have commented. As I have not received my PAL and/or RPAL my options are limited. My first purchase is likely a .223. I will be more comfortable riding myself of the critters. What do I do with the carcass if and when I put something down?

 

[Buck_Up]

A local trapper gets my yotes. He has a carcass pile for his skinned animals, and if for one reason or another he doesn't want a particular donation, I throw it on the pile. If it has mange, I toss it in the closest fence-row where shot. When non-hunters inquire what I do with my yotes, I tell them that I donate them to the local R.O.T. club. Usually they just nod and say "oh", without understanding what I just said.

 

[jiffx2781]

I appreciate all who have commented. As I have not received my PAL and/or RPAL my options are limited. My first purchase is likely a .223. I will be more comfortable riding myself of the critters. What do I do with the carcass if and when I put something down?

Since you don't yet have firearms I think you're making a good choice to go with something that is better suited for the job.

But just remember, poor shot placement with a .223 will still yield the same results as poor shot placement with a .22lr. Both are perfectly capable but both still have limitations.

The benefit of a .223 over a .22lr will be an extended range of effectiveness.

Shoot straight and good luck with your coyote problem.