Coyotes in packs
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This pic has always been the one to blow me away. Largest I have seen with my too eyes here on a scale so far was 72 pounds and that was huge. I cannot imagine a 115 pounder
N.Y.S. D.E.C. game commission officer Robert Doe confirmed that this was indeed a new New York state record coyote. Its official weight was 115 pounds, it is a very large male and was shot this (2005) regular deer season just out side the town of Hilton. It has been spotted on several different occasions chasing deer & livestock, dogs, and cats.
N.Y.S. D.E.C. game commission officer Robert Doe confirmed that this was indeed a new New York state record coyote. Its official weight was 115 pounds, it is a very large male and was shot this (2005) regular deer season just out side the town of Hilton. It has been spotted on several different occasions chasing deer & livestock, dogs, and cats.
I hear what your saying.I can remember not to many years ago on some of the US hunting forums when someone from here or Maine would say they shot a a 50 pound plus coyote or a color phase one you could pretty much guarantee that someone from the western US or even some places in Canada would accuse them of lying or photo shopping the picture.
It's not as bad now thanks to the Internet i suppose but you still get the odd ignorant person who says that a coyote is a coyote no matter where it is and they don't get that big cause they don't get that big where they live so they know better.
It' hard to argue with narrow minded people like that and a waste of time to bother to try.
I myself couldn't accurately comment on Western coyote's because i have never personally seen one other then in pics but they do sound and look as if they are quite a bit smaller then here.
I can only comment on what we have here.
Biggest one i actually ever shot myself here was 64 pounds(weighed) but i know of bigger ones that were taken.If memory serves me correctly the biggest one i know of here was trapped by a DNR officer quite a few years ago(probably 10 to 15) and i believe it was 78 pounds.
Anyways,Sorry to Hijack your thread Gorky.
Back on the subject of packing , the most i have seen together at one time here is seven around a dead deer they killed on the river.
Like i was saying not uncommon at all for them to be packed up here but that is the most i have seen together myself.
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heavyBullet
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25 yrs ago I was hunting on a property I have never been on before. The owner had a chicken farm with about 40 000 chickens, and received his chicks a day or two before I arrived. It was explained to me later that many chicks die the first night or two after they arrive, and they would bury them in the woods, but no one told me this when I first got there. So that late afternoon my uncle leaves me at a spot in the woods near where the chicks had just been buried (he did not know himself they were there) and he carries on further into the bush and said he would walk back and pick me up just as it gets dark.
By 4:30pm I had seen 4 coyotes, and I do not think they saw me, but were circling me to get to I assume the the dead chicks, then would run off after catching my scent. I watched this happen a few times before my uncle showed up, and by that time they were howling like crazy. Let me tell you, being alone and being a young kid knowing nothing about coyotes I think I left finger nail marks in that old Enfield.
By 4:30pm I had seen 4 coyotes, and I do not think they saw me, but were circling me to get to I assume the the dead chicks, then would run off after catching my scent. I watched this happen a few times before my uncle showed up, and by that time they were howling like crazy. Let me tell you, being alone and being a young kid knowing nothing about coyotes I think I left finger nail marks in that old Enfield.
This pic has always been the one to blow me away. Largest I have seen with my too eyes here on a scale so far was 72 pounds and that was huge. I cannot imagine a 115 pounder
N.Y.S. D.E.C. game commission officer Robert Doe confirmed that this was indeed a new New York state record coyote. Its official weight was 115 pounds, it is a very large male and was shot this (2005) regular deer season just out side the town of Hilton. It has been spotted on several different occasions chasing deer & livestock, dogs, and cats.
Hi 3macs,
While there are indeed some very large one's out there that particular one according to Snope's was actually between 102 to 105 pounds, some kind of Hybrid and was neutered indicating that it was someone's pet at one time.Not a true wild coyote.
I don't really know how accurate Snope's is but i just thought i would share what i read there about it.
Actually...
The 19 year old woman was stalked, attacked, and eaten by the coyotes. She was not killed by the coyotes. They simply stalked, attacked, and proceeded to eat her alive.
She was alive - and still able to communicate, though morbidly wounded - the whole time. Both alive and conscious. She died in hospital.
Think about that.
The 19 year old woman was stalked, attacked, and eaten by the coyotes. She was not killed by the coyotes. They simply stalked, attacked, and proceeded to eat her alive.
She was alive - and still able to communicate, though morbidly wounded - the whole time. Both alive and conscious. She died in hospital.
Think about that.
Life cycle of coyote
The word pack could be changed to family unit. Beginning in Jan they start to breed. In april-may the female will give birth to 2-12 pups, average being 6. By the time oct rolls around you'd really have to compare body size closley between all the family unit. The pups will be almost the same height as the female but only 60-80% of body weight. In early jan the pair will walk away from that den and go to another den they use and start all over. The pups will likely use that birth den until they start to mark an area of their own and start breeding, usually in the second year but sometimes at 1 yr of age.
I seen a family of 7 walk by my deer blind a couple yrs ago. In the lead was the male followed by the female and pups in single file. The male was about 20% bigger than the female and the pups were amost the same size as the female-----Cowboy
The word pack could be changed to family unit. Beginning in Jan they start to breed. In april-may the female will give birth to 2-12 pups, average being 6. By the time oct rolls around you'd really have to compare body size closley between all the family unit. The pups will be almost the same height as the female but only 60-80% of body weight. In early jan the pair will walk away from that den and go to another den they use and start all over. The pups will likely use that birth den until they start to mark an area of their own and start breeding, usually in the second year but sometimes at 1 yr of age.
I seen a family of 7 walk by my deer blind a couple yrs ago. In the lead was the male followed by the female and pups in single file. The male was about 20% bigger than the female and the pups were amost the same size as the female-----Cowboy
I do my friend every time my wife or girls go outside with the dogs. That took place just 2 hours from me. I worry especially knowing there is a pack of 6 or more right behind my house in the middle of town but I cannot discharge a firearm or snare them in town. Since she was killed when I walk the dogs in the back woods I carry at least my large buck knife.They are some bold here and there are many other stories of people being attacked that have not made the news. I remember when we first seen them here probally in the late 80's they would run from man not any more and i might be crazy but they have definately grown in size from the 1st ones we would see.
They did put a 25.00 bounty on them since she was killed but I don't see a lot of guys out hunting them.
BrotherRockeye
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that's a big ol dog next to that deer 
Maybe you should take up archery in your back yard.
Oh I am an old bow hunter also , don't own anything modern but still have my two Oneida screaming eagles and some 2119's or 2315 logs LOL. I did ask the question and have been told discharging the gun or bow in the town limits is the same charge and fine.
Coyote Pack
My sister's two girls went outside one night just about a month ago and came running back into the house because there were unseen coyotes yipping all around the house (my sister has three older dogs). The kids know to go inside when they see or hear even one coyote. My sister's place is in a rural area on a dirt road with about 10 other houses on the same road.
The following is taken from a Nova Scotia government website:
Are coyotes found in Nova Scotia larger than western coyotes?
Yes. Coyotes found in NS are known as Eastern Coyotes and, while closely related to coyotes found in western North America, they are genetically distinct. The significantly larger body size of Eastern Coyotes has been attributed to past interbreeding with wolves, as coyotes spread northward and eastward across North America. Some individuals encountered here may be as much as twice the average size of coyotes found in southwestern North America.
Why are they so big?
The eastern coyote is basically a western coyote which has picked up significant wolf characteristics through interbreeding. This genetic make up gives the eastern coyote the potential for a much larger body size - twice the size of their close relative, the south-western coyote.
My sister's two girls went outside one night just about a month ago and came running back into the house because there were unseen coyotes yipping all around the house (my sister has three older dogs). The kids know to go inside when they see or hear even one coyote. My sister's place is in a rural area on a dirt road with about 10 other houses on the same road.
The following is taken from a Nova Scotia government website:
Are coyotes found in Nova Scotia larger than western coyotes?
Yes. Coyotes found in NS are known as Eastern Coyotes and, while closely related to coyotes found in western North America, they are genetically distinct. The significantly larger body size of Eastern Coyotes has been attributed to past interbreeding with wolves, as coyotes spread northward and eastward across North America. Some individuals encountered here may be as much as twice the average size of coyotes found in southwestern North America.
Why are they so big?
The eastern coyote is basically a western coyote which has picked up significant wolf characteristics through interbreeding. This genetic make up gives the eastern coyote the potential for a much larger body size - twice the size of their close relative, the south-western coyote.
Perhaps so.I do know that the times when i have seen the most together here though is not just denning season but during the winter months.
The same time as the deer are yarded up.
When i saw the seven together it would have been about mid February.It is common to see three or more together all through the winter and not just the summer denning months.
I shot two at that deer the first day i hunted over it both male's around the 50 pound range give or take and two more over the next three days, another male that was smaller and a large female.They in my opinion were not that years litter.
Any thoughts on that??
Your the second to say that. Interesting, I wonder with the wolf strain in your eastern coyote that in fact we have a large difference in western/eastern coyote. So far I see big difference in color,size and now family unit. If the eastern coyote takes on the wolf breeding system, ie pack leader or dominent breeding pair thats huge.
Seen yellowstone special the other nite with about 20 in a pack of wolves. Wonder what pack size/family unit happens in the east?---Cowboy
Seen yellowstone special the other nite with about 20 in a pack of wolves. Wonder what pack size/family unit happens in the east?---Cowboy
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They say the easterns will pair and breed for life sounds like wolf does it not
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/pn-np/ns/cbreton/natcul/natcul1/c/i/a.aspx
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in response to a comment about 'yotes attacking during the day by the OP. coyotes will attack during the day - even children - especially if the dog is not alone.
this one attacked four 10 year olds by itself. lucky for the one kid that his best buddy came back to save him.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=826274dd-ac9a-49e9-80c7-0967e4670e2d
and this was just a little western coyote roaming solo.
this one attacked four 10 year olds by itself. lucky for the one kid that his best buddy came back to save him.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=826274dd-ac9a-49e9-80c7-0967e4670e2d
and this was just a little western coyote roaming solo.
Carp, Ontario. Have a regular pack that passes through our property. Around 8 coyotes that I can identify so far by, distinct markings. 4 REALLY big buggers in the pack as well. Scared the daylights out of my lady & I when they chased deer through the backyard. The pack split around the house to corner the deer. Found the remains of the doe, not much left, a few days later in the back acre. We are very watchful & concerned for our young son. Thank god air-rifle & bow are legal in our area. May have to thin them a little, they are denting my deer, grouse & turkey population hugely.
The most i have seen myself at one time has been when i saw the seven.I have seen five quite a few times but 3 to 4 more commonly.
Same experiences with other people that i know that hunt them here.
Sometimes when you see them they are just in pairs and sometimes you only see one.
I have heard of nine together chasing a deer but i didn't see that myself so i can't swear to it although the guy who told me wouldn't lie about it i don't believe.
They cooperate a lot when it comes to killing deer.Every time i find one (there has been many,many over the years)they killed i backtrack it and follow it to see all what happened.
It is very easy to see where they take turns chasing it and will run it into the other ones and they will take over for a bit and then the other ones will head it of and take there turn for awhile.
Sometimes that tactic is several coyotes and sometimes just two.Several times in very deep snow that had a thick crust on it and the deer were breaking through but the coyotes for the most part were not i found where one coyote had killed the deer by itself.
You will see at the beginning of the chase tufts of hair they pulled out along the way and then the blood will start.Sometimes the chase is short and sometimes it goes on for a long time.
I have also seen them tear the hell out of the ass end of a deer leave it to bed for awhile and then kill it hours later.Exactly why i don't know.I can only guess to weaken it so as not to have as much risk to themselves?
I have absolutely no first hand experience with wolves only what i have read or watched on TV so i do not know if those are tactics they will employ or not.
I will have to rely on you guys who actually know about wolves to tell me.
seen 7 coyotes before on a couple occasions. Last winter 7 took down a nice buck in my neighbours backyard. Seen 7 come running out a bush with our 4 hounds on their tail. I couldn't believe it, it was like a herd of dogs running across a field LOL
