Coyotes.

[AKD]

thanks for the info folks. i'll give it some more thought. what i might do is bring the 7mm along for backup. i do want to be sure of a humane kill, so if i do use the .22, the shots will be less than 100m. i figure there's a decent chance of this, since i'll be able to set up in a tree, above the normal level of sight for a coyote. hopefully this will allow me to bring them in closer.

for someone who joined this site in 2006 and have over 1400 post i really figured you would have learned a thing or 2 about people talking about coyote hunting.

Getting one in 20yards is extremely hard. They do not move and take risk as much in the summer as they do in the winter when food is scarce. A tree is fine but ur must be able to keep ur sent way way way down, have good camo and know how to use a distress call well. as well a little moving rabbit furr will help.

When a coyote comes in at prey it cant see, it will use the up wind to make sure it is the smell of a rabbit and not a human. (take note fellow coyote hunters)

your best bet man is a longer distance shot. the odds of a close 20yrd shot are very slim.

 

[DVXDUDE]

you better be able to shoot the #### off a hummingbird if you want to take coyotes with a 22lr. Sure it could be done, But I bet 70% of the time you will need follow up shots or never find it at all.


borrow a CENTERFIRE gun even 17rem or 204ruger would be ALOT better then 22lr.

 

[popcan]

thanks for the info folks. i'll give it some more thought. what i might do is bring the 7mm along for backup. i do want to be sure of a humane kill, so if i do use the .22, the shots will be less than 100m. i figure there's a decent chance of this, since i'll be able to set up in a tree, above the normal level of sight for a coyote. hopefully this will allow me to bring them in closer.

#1, you plan to make a 100 yd or less precision shot from a tree, using a 10/22? Good luck with that.

#2, If you are setting up in a tree, you probably won't see any coyotes anyhow.

Use the 7mm - you are accustomed to it, and you can reach out with it.

 

[FlyingHigh]

for someone who joined this site in 2006 and have over 1400 post i really figured you would have learned a thing or 2 about people talking about coyote hunting.

Getting one in 20yards is extremely hard. They do not move and take risk as much in the summer as they do in the winter when food is scarce. A tree is fine but ur must be able to keep ur sent way way way down, have good camo and know how to use a distress call well. as well a little moving rabbit furr will help.

When a coyote comes in at prey it cant see, it will use the up wind to make sure it is the smell of a rabbit and not a human. (take note fellow coyote hunters)

your best bet man is a longer distance shot. the odds of a close 20yrd shot are very slim.

i don't really hang around the hunting section, and i'm very new to hunting coyotes. i didn't know it's rare to get them in close enough.

#1, you plan to make a 100 yd or less precision shot from a tree, using a 10/22? Good luck with that.

#2, If you are setting up in a tree, you probably won't see any coyotes anyhow.

Use the 7mm - you are accustomed to it, and you can reach out with it.

1. my 10/22 shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. i think that's just fine. the kill zone is larger than 1/2".

2. sure i will. it's a pretty open orchard, and the lower branches are cut away. 1/3 up a tree, i'm above eye leve, yet can see the entire orchard, out to the edges.

i'm thinking i might just use the 7mm. since it doesn't look like i'll be able to get the coyotes into less than 100 yards, i don't want to risk a wounding shot with the .22. i'll have to discuss it more with my grandpa and see what he thinks about a loud gunshot early morning or late evening.

thanks for the info folks. it helps alot.

 

[CV32]

my 10/22 shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. i think that's just fine.

Hang on to that 10/22.

 

[AKD]

i think up in a tree is fine as well btw. good luck. hint of advice 2, were there is one coyote there is usually another. Around this time of year you might best find them near a natural water source. They usually keep there dens around 200m from them roughly.

 

[lucky07]

Guy I know reached out and knocked one down at 130 yds with a 12 gauge and 00 buck. He is VERY comfortable with his gun and knows his limits. Had it been me I wouldn't have taken the shot. But he knew what he was doing and it ended up successfully.

Under 100 yds that's what I would go for anyways. .22lr is just too small, it'll do the job, but not guaranteed it'll do it on the first couple shots.

 

[senior]

1. my 10/22 shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. i think that's just fine. the kill zone is larger than 1/2".


i'm thinking i might just use the 7mm. since it doesn't look like i'll be able to get the coyotes into less than 100 yards, i don't want to risk a wounding shot with the .22. i'll have to discuss it more with my grandpa and see what he thinks about a loud gunshot early morning or late evening.

Good advice given here glad your finally gonna take some.

Consider this, I once shot a grouse at 50 Feet or so with a .22LR & the near side wing bone stopped the bullet, coyotes are considerably larger & tougher than grouse!

 

[popcan]

1. my 10/22 shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. i think that's just fine. the kill zone is larger than 1/2".

2. sure i will. it's a pretty open orchard, and the lower branches are cut away. 1/3 up a tree, i'm above eye leve, yet can see the entire orchard, out to the edges.

I was just thinking that a .22 won't have humane killing velocity out at 100yds.... ......? also, my thought was that being in a tree, the coyotes will see you first.

anyhow, let us know how it goes!

 

[CV32]

Nothing wrong necessarily with setting up in a tree, assuming the tree is well located given the prevailing wind and visibility. Trees without properly set up stands do tend to be terribly uncomfortable, though, so you may not be able to endure being up there too long.

I trust you're not calling from the tree, which might be a problem (calling attention upward), but I don't think you mentioned calling for these coyotes at all. Putting an e-caller on the ground away from you might work well with you in the tree.

The other potential issue with being up in a tree is that you might be tempted to take a long shot with the .22LR, and as others have pointed out, you really don't want to be doing that, even if your rifle is plenty accurate. Even a head shot does not guarantee a kill (witness the fellow who earlier mentioned shooting a yote in the head with a .270 and having to take a follow up), and a coyote with a mangled jaw or other head injury will escape to potentially die elsewhere or not at all.

 

[FlyingHigh]

as far as the tree is concerned, i'm planning on going in a week or so before my hunt. i'll be building a platform of sorts, so i'll be comfortable. i'm trying to get my hands on an electronic caller for this.
if i can't get the caller, i'll be sitting on the ground, tucked up against the tree, and calling maunally.
the tree's have enough foliage to conver me, however i am still able to have a good view. i climbed up a few last time i was there to check it out.

as for wind, it pretty much comes from one direction in that area, so it's pretty predictable. i should be able to set up with it to my advantage.

what kind of calls would you folks suggest for this type of year? i was thinking of a rabbit distress since there are still some rabbits kicking around.

 

[CV32]

what kind of calls would you folks suggest for this type of year? i was thinking of a rabbit distress since there are still some rabbits kicking around.

Critter in distress calls work decently well all times of the year, but better in the cold winter months than in the warmer months when food is more plentiful. I would throw in some 'pup in distress' to appeal to the maternal instinct, since pups are just now starting to disperse from their parents.

 

[Glock4ever]

I don't agree about that it is "too difficult" to get a coyote to come in closer then 100m or even 50m. I have called in coyotes to 15m (you should have seen my hunting buddy's eyes on that one) and frankly they are not as smart as everyone makes them out to be. Like all other animal populations, there are some smart ones and some dumb ones but for the most part, their instincts and stomachs can make them very predictable. After a few years of hunting coyotes, I have learned that stand selection is everything and you can easily bring them in close. The last 4 coyotes I killed were less then 50m and in one stand I called them from the side of a bald ass hill wearing black pants and a camo jacket (no funky head mesh/camo blind/etc). You just need to ensure that you understand the natural lines of drift (the natural dead ground/cover that predators will use to camo their movement) and positioning of your e-caller/yourself to force them to expose themselves. The biggest mistake I made when I got into coyote hunting was to place myself near a treeline and have the e-caller far out in an open are (i.e. +20m away from a treeline) I soon learned that if I positioned myself away from the treeline but out of view of the approach that the coyote would take in, my success rate went very high. My last go out, I called in 4 coyotes in 2 hrs and 1 1/2 hours of that was spent driving between stands/walking out and finding a good spot/etc. Just to show you how dumb coyotes can be, I called a coyote in and killed it at my first stand, I decided to stay in the same spot and see if she had any company. Sure enough another coyote approached ~5 mins later, I didn't get a good exposure to her and she literally walked up to my e-caller and turned around and left. As we had been made, my buddy and I left the area and tried another spot close to a coolie/pond, where we called in two coyotes at the same time (he missed them both). At which point, I recommended we go back to our original spot, after setting up in the same spot and calling, the same coyote I called the first time came back in and I dropped her. The time difference between when we were at the first stand and returning was just over an hour.

 

[shoota]

I don't agree about that it is "too difficult" to get a coyote to come in closer then 100m or even 50m. I have called in coyotes to 15m (you should have seen my hunting buddy's eyes on that one) and frankly they are not as smart as everyone makes them out to be. Like all other animal populations, there are some smart ones and some dumb ones but for the most part, their instincts and stomachs can make them very predictable. After a few years of hunting coyotes, I have learned that stand selection is everything and you can easily bring them in close. The last 4 coyotes I killed were less then 50m and in one stand I called them from the side of a bald ass hill wearing black pants and a camo jacket (no funky head mesh/camo blind/etc). You just need to ensure that you understand the natural lines of drift (the natural dead ground/cover that predators will use to camo their movement) and positioning of your e-caller/yourself to force them to expose themselves. The biggest mistake I made when I got into coyote hunting was to place myself near a treeline and have the e-caller far out in an open are (i.e. +20m away from a treeline) I soon learned that if I positioned myself away from the treeline but out of view of the approach that the coyote would take in, my success rate went very high. My last go out, I called in 4 coyotes in 2 hrs and 1 1/2 hours of that was spent driving between stands/walking out and finding a good spot/etc. Just to show you how dumb coyotes can be, I called a coyote in and killed it at my first stand, I decided to stay in the same spot and see if she had any company. Sure enough another coyote approached ~5 mins later, I didn't get a good exposure to her and she literally walked up to my e-caller and turned around and left. As we had been made, my buddy and I left the area and tried another spot close to a coolie/pond, where we called in two coyotes at the same time (he missed them both). At which point, I recommended we go back to our original spot, after setting up in the same spot and calling, the same coyote I called the first time came back in and I dropped her. The time difference between when we were at the first stand and returning was just over an hour.

+1 Called in a coyote last season to within 5m walked between me and my hunting buddy.

 

[FlyingHigh]

great info Glock4ever. thanks. that gives me some ideas on different ways to set up my stand. i'll be going out there today, so i may take another look, and see what the approach angles are like.

 

[Norton]

After a few years of hunting coyotes, I have learned that stand selection is everything and you can easily bring them in close.
The biggest mistake I made when I got into coyote hunting was to place myself near a treeline and have the e-caller far out in an open area.

I assume you were hunting coyotes in Saskatchewan, seeing as this is the first year that e-callers are legal in Alberta

 

[Glock4ever]

No I was hunting them in Alberta and Manitoba. I got my e-caller back on line when the regs changed a few months ago. I used to use a lot of mouth calls but in MB, I used a Foxpro 416. I had to get rid of it when I came back to AB but just recently got a Johnny Stewart

Flyinghigh: This may sound easy but it isn't (trust me I know) but you have to think like prey when you are picking your stands. Most hunters typically think like a predator because they are used to hunting game animals and get busted by coyotes. What they end up doing is positioning themselves in a spot where the predator will approach from and will typically site their killzone at an area where a prey animal will come from. It is hard to avoid especially if you are used to hunting big game. Another major factor is if you are using a mouth call vs an e-caller. E-caller are great for vectoring an animal (coyotes will have tunnel vision running in - that is how I can shoot them from some close) but their weakness is that the sounds are not random enough and coyotes can be educated to their sounds - they are recordings. If you are using a mouth call, I really recommend that you hunt with a partner, it will raise your success rate - basically you two should be apart (30-50m - depends on the terrain) and only one should be calling (the sounds will be more natural). The other will should watch the approaches in and drop the dog when they come. Once you have killed/seen about 5-10 coyotes you will start to see a bit of a pattern in how they will come in (you will train your eyes to see them before they see and you will start to learn where along the treeline/ground to look at to look for movement); this part is hard to explain you just "learn" to know what to look for. My hunting buddy still has trouble seeing the coyotes come in - which can be frustrating for me as there are many times when I am the caller and he has missed the animal (either they were hightailing it out of the area or I saw them but couldn't read him on to the shot) - in his defense he only started hunting coyotes last season and he is making a lot of improvement at spotting them.

 

[FlyingHigh]

thanks for the info Glock4ever. i'll keep it in mind.

i i was at the farm today, and took a good look around. i have a couple ideas about where and how to set up the stands.