CQB Clinic at Range Burlington - Any interest?

Mine drop pretty good, and I find the oddball mag release is a lot easier to get to with the shorter mag. I'm not planning to let me mags drop onto concrete anyways, speed is not my issue. Now the T97 safety, that's a real piece of work, not sure how that's going to go with gloves on.

Just picked up a pair of plain-Jane Mechanix gloves (didn't have the Crappy Tire brand in my size or I'd have got those), will see how they pan out in a little bit. That's after I grind down (not off) the rivets on the p-mags, do a few mag change/transition drills and pack up an item I'm selling to another attendee. At least the ammo is gtg and the guns are clean and lubed. Might not bother shaving and claim I'm growing a combat beard since I'm such a tactical operator my teeth hurt :cool:
 
Wish i'd seen this much sooner.

Might be doable if you're a BRRC or ORA member.. If you're a BRRC member, you're set documentation wise, just send Barney a PM here or e-mail http://www.tacticalteacher.ca/contact-us.html. If you're an ORA member but don't have a BRRC ATT, there is a generic invitation letter as this would qualify as an ORA match. I'll PM you the link. Just make sure you arrange things with Barney first so you are technically "invited".
 
This was a total blast!!! Thanks go out to Barney and skeet for organizing/running it, to rifleman338 for being the unofficial assistant coach, to everyone who came and shared their knowledge! Can't wait to run some matches!
 
I just arrived at the family cottage in Port Mcnichol. I am beat from all that excitement today. And to top things off, that four hours on the road sure was tiring.

I had a fun time laughing at all the mag changes going on. Remember that in CQB or any competition for that matter, one has to put the time in evolving your kit under stress; hopefully match intensity/stress otherwise you will be in for some funny surprises (and laughter on my part). Ha ha ha ha

More to follow tomorrow. As fer the rest of you CQB clinic lovers; what are you taking away from this I I. Aside from some Frog Lube fun?

I gotta sack out soon. Chat with all of ya in the AM!

Cheers and kelp helping the noobs

Barney
 
I just arrived at the family cottage in Port Mcnichol. I am beat from all that excitement today. And to top things off, that four hours on the road sure was tiring.

I had a fun time laughing at all the mag changes going on. Remember that in CQB or any competition for that matter, one has to put the time in evolving your kit under stress; hopefully match intensity/stress otherwise you will be in for some funny surprises (and laughter on my part). Ha ha ha ha

More to follow tomorrow. As fer the rest of you CQB clinic lovers; what are you taking away from this I I. Aside from some Frog Lube fun?

I gotta sack out soon. Chat with all of ya in the AM!

Cheers and kelp helping the noobs

Barney

That was a great session Barney, and I'm glad we could keep you amused and possibly give you some material for future clinics. The drills were exactly what this noob needed, there is so much to work on. It was a nice safe environment, congratulations to you and Len.

My best take away was watching you clear a stuck bolt in a T97 using a Magpul single point sling, considering I also own a T97. That alone was worth the price of admission.
 
Yeah, that was a great tip an a daysaver :) In addition to that, like any other shooting sport, this will require a lot of dryfire practice to get proficient and make the match run smoothly and safely. Gonna have to do a bit of practicing walking around the house without having the dot bob up and down. Should have been doing that anyway with my handgun just for IPSC training and now definitely with the rifle. Also gonna have to do a few mag dumps off the bench - caught myself slapping the trigger which really doesn't work well for multiple shots on the same target - still getting over my handicap of being used to shooting single shots from a stationary firing line. My handgun racking is also a bit too delicate for this sport. Works with a recoil spring that may or may not be lighter than factory :cool: but wouldn't work with a spring I'd wanna put in my gun when taking on a trip to some hot and dusty places. Then there's the way I was gripping the rifle. Barney showed us the correct way for when you're taking multiple shots, which is something I've done precious little of in the past couple of years.

Edit: Lol @ price of admission.. Barney sure didn't turn into an overnight millionaire from this trip. While all the regulars in this forum know who he is and what he's about, just in case some newbs are reading this, note that he barely charged enough to cover his expenses (assuming he didn't have to pay for range use lol). His main goal is promoting the sport and participation in the ORA.
 
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I really want to thank Hungry (Barney) and Skeetgunner for a great day. This was my first time with CQB and I loved it. Met a bunch of great people and hope to shoot with you guts again.

The biggest lesson I took away from this is practice practice and use my brrc membership more

Thanks guys and my rating for the day would be a big 10+++

Thanks now it's time to buy more gear :)
 
I just arrived at the family cottage in Port Mcnichol. I am beat from all that excitement today. And to top things off, that four hours on the road sure was tiring.

I can't imagine how you did that. I was beat, physically drained. Hope ya had a great Family Day vacation tho!


As fer the rest of you CQB clinic lovers; what are you taking away from this I I. Aside from some Frog Lube fun?

Since I'm only 15min away from the Club, I was home pretty quick. The girls were making dinner (Irish Boxty, highly recommended after a cold day at the Range) so I had a chance to decompress before dinner. Before I crawled into a warm shower to wash the range debris off, I sat down by the fire and cribbed some notes (along with a good shot of *ahem* medicinal Scotch) about the event. In no particular order:

1. Hungry has a wicked, evil and absolutely hilarious sense of humour. If he's telling "stories", best ye lend an ear. At one point, I was fighting for air I was laughing so hard. But all of his stories have a point, pay attention.....lest you be be the subject of the next story. :p

2. The price of the course is inconsequential compared to what you will learn! Being in the same room with 15 other noobs is worth the price of admission alone. Its priceless. No amount of CGN surfing can replace the comradery and "Hey, lets try this and see if it works!" experience.

3. Take copious notes. Write down everything. Take (with permission) photos of everything.

4. Bring what you have. You can make do. Fancy gear adds convenience and speed, not necessarily function or safety. Hungry and your classmates will help you get it all sorted out. You need not have the latest designer gear or even the coolest AR with all the toys. See point 5.

5. Blsonne (sp) shot the entire clinic with a .22rf rifle and a .22 rifle pistol. It worked...mostly. What he learned (the hard way) about immediate action drills to clear stoppages made for a long day.....but that experience will make him a fearsome competitor in the future. He now knows how to clear stoppages and get back in the game. And he has the confidence to do so.....

Hungry should think about adding IAD's to the course. (granted, we packed a 2 day course into 1 day)

6. A 9mm rifle matched with a 9mm pistol makes a decent combination, simplifies logistics and is a joy to shoot. Just make sure the guy/gal scoring knows you're shooting the same round in both rifle and pistol. Running a .38 special revolver and and .38 special lever might be fun.

7. 5-6 competitors on a relay can safely be run through a CQB match on a 50mx14m wide indoor range. (other indoor ranges take note! Executives, PM me for the details, BRRC has raised the bar!) :)

8. Once you have your gear set up, beat the hell out of it. It has to work under stress, duress and extreme cold. Try, test, try, test again. Dont be afraid to experiment. Ebay gear is cheap and plentiful. EXPERIMENT!

9. You need 5 rifle mags, two pistol mags and a way to hold them. That is all. Just be sure to function check your rifle and pistol! F-class, TR and..ah...Clays shooters don't use safeties. Know how your rifle and pistol work, and know how to use them wearing gloves! Practice everything with gloves on!

10. You can never have enough ammo. I went through 150+ rounds of 147gr 9mm....wish I had time for more. Next time, I will book the range for 2 days!

11. There is no range too hot or too cold. There is only inappropriate clothing. (sorry for the bad paraphrase, but its true :redface: )

12. Bring band-aids, Tylenol (tm) and a snack for the ride home. And drink lots of water. The time flew by, but I forgot to hydrate!

13. Dress in layers. One the line, you will sweat. Bombing up, you will freeze. Trust me.

14. Write down the contact (CGN or email) information of all your fellow classmates. Your notes may be good, but they wont be perfect.

15. Join the ORA. And the DCRA too!


Other notes:

When we run the ORA winter training series for F-class, we bring in lunch. Eating with fellow classmates helps breaks the ice and increases the classroom bond. It also increases training time. We'll do this for the next CQB clinic at RB.

I've been "point man" for 2 M14 clinics and one CQB clinic at BRRC.....if I can do it, you can do it too! What the hell are you waiting for?!?!? Make a CQB clinic happen at your range. PM Hungry NOW and get on the list!

Best quote of the day: "Will this work? I don't know...but I have zap-straps and duct-tape so lets try it!" (it worked!)

2nd best quote of the day: "Skeetgunner, you don't look anything like your Avatar! I thought you were an Otter!" (Sorry MapleSugar!) :p

3rd best quote of the day: "Christ am I sore!" Hungry worked us ragged, then changed the match, and worked us ragged, then changed the match, and worked us ragged. I think I lost 10 lbs on the range.

Best Day Ever! :)

Cant wait for the first outdoor CQB match of 2014! :)
 
Well Skeet, I'm only 7 minutes from the club, and I was still beat from the drive. CQB at Range Burlington again...sign me up for sure.

Looking at joining the ORA next, the application form list 2 references. Question, possibly a stupid one, are these shooting references or ?

Again great job all around, and after doing this I think rifle night is going to be a lot easier on the nerves.
 
CQB at Range Burlington again...sign me up for sure.

:D

Looking at joining the ORA next, the application form list 2 references. Question, possibly a stupid one, are these shooting references or ?

I believe that they are character reference, who can be, but need not be shooters. Either way, they'll sort you out when you apply.

Again great job all around, and after doing this I think rifle night is going to be a lot easier on the nerves.

Which is why I want Rifle night to start doing more formal matches and less "bowling league with guns" stuff. :evil:
 
Run a match and I'm sure a bunch of us seasoned CQBer's will come and play.
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I would go. I hope Guelph runs more matches. The first one was excellent.

That is the long term plan, but there's still much work to be done. We're just learning to crawl at BRRC, it will be a while before we walk.

Now that we have had a successful clinic, proof of concept match and demonstrated user demand behind us, I still need to debrief my Board of Directors and socialize the concept that CQB will become a "regular event" (also has to be defined) at RangeBurlington. I don't expect too much of a challenge, the Board has been green lighting my activities so far. And our IPSC, Pistol and Airgun sections all run regular weekend matches, so there's lots of precedent.

I also need to have a chat with the powers that be as to what a match program could look like. Maybe we just host clinics? Maybe we just do winter clinics and practice matches and training like we do with F/TR Winter Series? Maybe we integrate with the ORA summer program? Maybe we start a Lower-lakes league with other clubs in SW Ontario? Maybe we do a little of all of the above?

I'm still drinking from a fire hose, this will take some time to settle out.
 
One question I have is about the safety check on the line. My M&P has a mag safety and no thumb safety, which means that sure I can rack back the slide so you can see if there's a round in the chamber... but if I've just dropped the mag, as we were doing during the clinic, I need to either pick up a mag or keep one handy so that I can insert it, pull the trigger, and you get to hear the 'click' and verify it's safe. I'm totally cool with doing this - your sandbox, your rules - but I'm wondering about streamlining this.

Also... just got my Peltors yesterday, very nice, love the audio setup, great idea.
 
I think you might be over thinking this.


You shoot your second target. Blam, Blam, Blam. Whistle blows - match over.

Show the Safety guy the open gun, proving it is empty. You drop the slide (it was locked back) pull the trigger (click) , drop the magand holster.

One question I have is about the safety check on the line. My M&P has a mag safety and no thumb safety, which means that sure I can rack back the slide so you can see if there's a round in the chamber... but if I've just dropped the mag, as we were doing during the clinic, I need to either pick up a mag or keep one handy so that I can insert it, pull the trigger, and you get to hear the 'click' and verify it's safe. I'm totally cool with doing this - your sandbox, your rules - but I'm wondering about streamlining this.

Also... just got my Peltors yesterday, very nice, love the audio setup, great idea.
 
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