CQB in BC now!!
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I have shot the event with an SKS and stripper clips. I put 5 rounds on 10 rnd clips. it made them easy to handle. I used a file to open up the clip guide on the rifle a bit, so the clip would go in without any fiddling.
However, there is more to this than just reloading. With a SKS you can only load when it locks open, after the 5th shot. With an AR or 858, you can drop the mag and reload after the 4th shot. Note that by doing this you skip having to drop the bolt. This saves time.
In the Ontario version of CQB we shoot some exposures of 4 shots, so it is handy to be able reload after the exposure, rather than wait to fire one more shot (with a SKS).
Are you serious?
I find this akin to asking to take the rundown out of the Service Rifle matches because some people are out of shape.
Well kneeling adds another dimension of difficulty akin to your modified prone. Here on the wet coast people ain't going to want to lay in 6 inches of mud and water LOL. However, as kneeling is a more stable position than standing, "old farts" will be more than welcome to stay in the less stable, harder, less accurate position of standing if preferred!
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Ok so shooters lets remember that we need to be there 0900 ready to go. Come early because we have a safety briefing and tons of new stuff to go over before we conduct this match! If you don't make the briefing you will NOT be able to shoot the match. There are just too many issues to be absorbed lol. Looking forward to seeing everyone there!
That works for me! Make sure the old farts know about this option, please.
As for the Service Rifle run down, can I use my electric walker?
Works even better with a beard.
Modified prone presents a lot of challenges that have to be experienced to fully appreciate.
The brake, for example, will blow a divot in the ground and can coat you and your glasses and the rifle with grit. A linear brake solves that issue.
At Camp Borden, the scrub grass is on a very sandy soil. The brake blows the sand everywhere. I shot the same event on real grass at the Guelph club, and there was no reaction from the ground at all. In BC, modified prone would probably create a rooster tail.
You lay on your strong side. The “down” arm and hand are somewhat trapped. With a AR15, your hand would run the trigger and push the mag release. Left hand would change mags and push bolt release. No sweat.
With 858, the bolt release is on the down side of the rifle, so that gets a bit awkward. Reloading a SKS in modified prone would be very difficult.
When I shoot modified prone, I use my down arm to hold the forend, and I run the trigger with my top hand (my left). This makes for a lot less adjusting of the hold when I use the left hand to change mags. But this will only work if the gun allows the left hand to drop the bolt. Or, one could change mags after 4 shots, so bolt does not lock back.
This is what it looks like, when you switch hands and run the trigger with the wrong hand. As you can see, the support arm aiming the rifle does not get disturbed when changing mags. You can also see how a doubled mag makes a mag swap faster.
The brake, for example, will blow a divot in the ground and can coat you and your glasses and the rifle with grit. A linear brake solves that issue.
At Camp Borden, the scrub grass is on a very sandy soil. The brake blows the sand everywhere. I shot the same event on real grass at the Guelph club, and there was no reaction from the ground at all. In BC, modified prone would probably create a rooster tail.
You lay on your strong side. The “down” arm and hand are somewhat trapped. With a AR15, your hand would run the trigger and push the mag release. Left hand would change mags and push bolt release. No sweat.
With 858, the bolt release is on the down side of the rifle, so that gets a bit awkward. Reloading a SKS in modified prone would be very difficult.
When I shoot modified prone, I use my down arm to hold the forend, and I run the trigger with my top hand (my left). This makes for a lot less adjusting of the hold when I use the left hand to change mags. But this will only work if the gun allows the left hand to drop the bolt. Or, one could change mags after 4 shots, so bolt does not lock back.
This is what it looks like, when you switch hands and run the trigger with the wrong hand. As you can see, the support arm aiming the rifle does not get disturbed when changing mags. You can also see how a doubled mag makes a mag swap faster.
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Sorry, must be getting old, what are the advantages to this modified prone position. Looks like some drawbacks mechanically, not to mention hanging your nads out.
"not to mention hanging your nads out" Sorry, do not understand.
Modified prone means shooting the rifle as low as possible. By laying the rifle on the side, the long magazine does not get in the way.
The fellow in the background is shooting MF in the "standard" way. When he takes his hand off the forend, to reload, the rifle drops out of the aim. Red is shooting with his left hand on the trigger. The right hand never moves and rifle does not shift.
Point I am making is that there are two ways to do it. Pick one. Your choice may be dictated by where the controls are on the rifle.
It is meant to simulate a barrier above such as shooting under a vehicle, where the shooter needs to get the rifle and sights as low as possible to clear the obstruction.
Ganderite: that looks like a good way to induce a stoppage with your forearm so close to potentially cover the ejection port - looks quite stable though.
Ganderite: that looks like a good way to induce a stoppage with your forearm so close to potentially cover the ejection port - looks quite stable though.
I think the same thing each time I do it. Has not happened. Not sure why.
When you have all the NEA Kool-Aid on your CZ, ain't nuthin a problem. Just pre-dig the crater and you're set. My nephew ran an SKS at Hungry's clinic. He's left-handed so it worked out just fine.
