CQB thread

pauls said:
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Not sure at what point the original sport becomes diluted enough that it then becomes something totally different, but the vid here shows what I guess are being called rifle standards at a 3gun match in the states.

Not sure if the transition to second firearm would pass at a private range but it could possibly be set up as two separate stages/events.

And the monitored firing line could progress unloaded to the next shooting position.

Not totally the original sport, but maybe "safe" enough to pass the scrutiny of a CFO/Board of a private range?

Simply punching holes in paper gets stale after a while so I'm always looking to add some variety.
Not sure if CQB is my thing but won't know till I try it.

To JRW, Good on you for your efforts till now, but don't give up so soon.
Find a compromise between what is happening on the DND range at what is ultimately acceptable at a range.
Seems people at EESA are willing to work with you.
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Thank you. I PM'd 7.62.

It was discussed yesterday about bringing CQB to Ceder Springs. There are issues that would have to be worked out. I may focus my effort there for next year.
 
PH Racing said:
Sure, but what is the better fix, lambasting someone on the Internet, or offering assistance to steer them down the right path?
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I will take "do not post videos of people doing unsafe things on the internet as evidence of an event you want to bring to a place that prides it self on safety for $1000 Alex".

The assistance was offered..

The adivce was offered....

It appears to have been ignored.
 
Is it that difficult to get to proper CQB matches on the Military Bases? I mean, that sport seems to be best suited there, why ruin it, or water is down just so it can be at a civilian range? I can see why you would want to bring it to a club, more disciplines and all for people to try, but sometimes a lot of the fun is the trip to get to these interesting matches and such.
 
Some ranges only allow firing from fixed, designated firing lines, and do not allow any movement foreward.
This may not be an issue elsewhere.
Period.
Some ranges may require that this sort of match be operated with a single shooter moving and shooting alone - common with action pistol. This makes these matches do-able, with a real time bottleneck. Scenario matches with carbine and pistol can be very interesting, but one shooter at a time leaves everyone else standing around.
If this particular event is to spread, it would really help if there was a comprehensive rulebook with detained descriptions of the courses of fire, including detailed instructions for range staff and shooters alike. It isn't really eoungh to know that x shots are fired at y distance, and the shooter then moves z meters.....
It is obvious that this is a very popular event among those who are participating. This alone is reason for other range operators to have a look at it.
 
tiriaq said:
Some ranges only allow firing from fixed, designated firing lines, and do not allow any movement foreward.
This may not be an issue elsewhere.
Period.
Some ranges may require that this sort of match be operated with a single shooter moving and shooting alone - common with action pistol. This makes these matches do-able, with a real time bottleneck. Scenario matches with carbine and pistol can be very interesting, but one shooter at a time leaves everyone else standing around.
If this particular event is to spread, it would really help if there was a comprehensive rulebook with detained descriptions of the courses of fire, including detailed instructions for range staff and shooters alike. It isn't really eoungh to know that x shots are fired at y distance, and the shooter then moves z meters.....
It is obvious that this is a very popular event among those who are participating. This alone is reason for other range operators to have a look at it.
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And that is all I have been asking for since the beginning, have a look at it, nothing more.
 
stormbringer said:
And from the beginning I and others have looked at the evidence you brought forth and pointed out the problems with that evidence in terms of bringing it to a club environment.
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The place to decide that is at a meeting were we can hash out what ever changes need to be done.
 
JRW (QOR) said:
The place to decide that is at a meeting were we can hash out what ever changes need to be done.
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That's not going to happen at a general meeting....
The club is going to need a detailed rule set.....what safety measures will be taken..RO's etc....what is going to be the way people are going to be accepted/denied entry ito the matches...holster courses etc...who is going to be the match directors. etc etc....

All this stuff "should" be included in a detailed rule set that is going to be used, but it doesn't exist!!!!!

These are just a few of the things you are going to have to sort out, before it ever gets to the general membership meeting...imho!
 
JRW (QOR) said:
The place to decide that is at a meeting were we can hash out what ever changes need to be done.
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So you are saying that you want to debate me in a General meeting regarding this issue?

Sign me up.

You do not know we have internet at the club?

You do know we have a projector right?

I really think however that such a forum would in fact be detrimental to your cause in the end.
 
Think what you might end up with is what will look like PPC with rifles.

Shooting from a common firing line at different ranges... Guns empty when moving from one yardage to the next, off the clock.
 
667 said:
Think what you might end up with is what will look like PPC with rifles.

Shooting from a common firing line at different ranges... Guns empty when moving from one yardage to the next, off the clock.
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Yes that...........


With............


and you knew it was coming

holster qual course

qualified Safety personel.


oh and RULES
 
stormbringer said:
Yes that...........


With............


and you knew it was coming

holster qual course

qualified Safety personel.


oh and RULES
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I don't really see the point of a "holster" course per se when half the shooting is done with a rifle...

My position has always been that as long as we OBEY the 4 universal laws of gun safety it shouldn't matter how any firearm is conveyed.

Unfortunately there are too many who don't even know what these rules are.
 
667 said:
I don't really see the point of a "holster" course per se when half the shooting is done with a rifle...

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No problem...................those without a holster cert can only shoot half the match. I am great with that.



667 said:
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My position has always been that as long as we OBEY the 4 universal laws of gun safety it shouldn't matter how any firearm is conveyed.
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You know I used to think that very thing.....................then I became President of a club and learned a very important lesson


667 said:
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Unfortunately there are too many who don't even know what these rules are.
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See you have learned it as well...........
 
7.62mm said:
That's not going to happen at a general meeting....
The club is going to need a detailed rule set.....what safety measures will be taken..RO's etc....what is going to be the way people are going to be accepted/denied entry ito the matches...holster courses etc...who is going to be the match directors. etc etc....

All this stuff "should" be included in a detailed rule set that is going to be used, but it doesn't exist!!!!!

These are just a few of the things you are going to have to sort out, before it ever gets to the general membership meeting...imho!
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I wasn't infering of a general meeting, but a meeting with the exec so that the issues can be ironed out. But that's up to them to agree to such.
 
667 said:
I don't really see the point of a "holster" course per se when half the shooting is done with a rifle...

My position has always been that as long as we OBEY the 4 universal laws of gun safety it shouldn't matter how any firearm is conveyed.

Unfortunately there are too many who don't even know what these rules are.
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Pistol is a small part, not anywhere half if you count rounds. One match is 6 rounds (after 24 rifle). Another is 6 rounds after 24 rifle, and the last is 10 rounds after 20 rifle. It would be a loss to not have pistol, but not a game ender. If holser qualification is required and pistol included, then so be it. I'm sure if it is popular people will get what is required to participate. Just vistors won't be able to participate.

OR

We can have matches of both. Matches with and without pistol.

I really don't care what it's called. It's the enjoyment of having a challenge and having fun with friends. That's all I was interested in doing.

Eventually, I was hoping that maybe, eventually, we could have provincial competitions. EESA sends a team to Borden to take on the ORA team.

EDIT: Oh and one of the matches, 20 rifle rounds, has no pistol.
 
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