Creating springs ?

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Would love some help on this. I want to make AICS style center fire magazines and CZ style Rimfire mags. Is there a good source for flat spring steel for accordion springs in canada? Nothing local has anything worthwhile.

I'd also be ok with square helical springs from "music wire" but no one can recommend me a gauge to start with. 0.02"? 0.3mm?

Hoping there's a few mcgyvers on here with wisdom to share. I will probably end up 3D printing the guides to bending the wire.
 
Would love some help on this. I want to make AICS style center fire magazines and CZ style Rimfire mags. Is there a good source for flat spring steel for accordion springs in canada? Nothing local has anything worthwhile.

I'd also be ok with square helical springs from "music wire" but no one can recommend me a gauge to start with. 0.02"? 0.3mm?

Hoping there's a few mcgyvers on here with wisdom to share. I will probably end up 3D printing the guides to bending the wire.

making a flat spring with a bunch of bends in it (O2 steel will do it) is going to be very challenging, making one that is reliable and consistent is going to be VERY challenging. (unless you have a heat treat oven)

As for music wire, cheap easy and disposable - you can buy it in 4' lengths from most well appointed hobby shops, pull apart a couple mags using these springs and measure.

But I would guess on the heavier side 1/16", 5/64" 3/32" - you won't find many different fractional sizes anyway.
 
Would love some help on this. I want to make AICS style center fire magazines and CZ style Rimfire mags. Is there a good source for flat spring steel for accordion springs in canada? Nothing local has anything worthwhile.

I'd also be ok with square helical springs from "music wire" but no one can recommend me a gauge to start with. 0.02"? 0.3mm?

Hoping there's a few mcgyvers on here with wisdom to share. I will probably end up 3D printing the guides to bending the wire.

Flat spring stock can be got through the clock and watch repair suppliers, in little coils ( :) ). Check your local Sally-Ann for old wind up alarm clocks to scrounge out of.

Most machine shop supply houses can sell you small or larger qty's of round section spring wire. Finding a supplier that has square or flattened wire is harder, but they are out there.

Making springs is as much art as science, typically you start with the amount of force you want, the distance over which you want that force applied, and work through the equations from there. There are books on spring winding and making, out there, if you go looking.
Like: https://www.amazon.ca/Spring-Design...ries+tubal+cain&qid=1658419129&s=books&sr=1-8
Busy Bee or KMS Tools likely has that one in stock too, or it can be ordered through any book store, if you are not an Amazon person.

Most of the spring benders or winders I have seen or used were essentially mini bending brakes for flat stock, or a rod with a crank on it, for coil springs.

Take a good look at larger clock springs as a source for your large mags, copy what has been proven to work, and you won't be far off. Ie: measure thickness and width of what works.

For something like a .22 mag you could do worse than to explore the constant force style springs. Ram-Line used them in a lot of their mags.
 
Customspring.ca lists magazine springs as something they can make. So send them specs, or they are likely a source of raw materials as well.

I have zero personal experience, i just googled custom springs in canada, cuz i knew you can custom order springs from specialty shops.
 
.030 -.033 - on a piece of rectangle stock in a lathe at 10rpm is a good place to start, where gloves and watch the release at the end. Good luck
 
I make 5 or 10 springs a year and have for 20 or 30 years now. I use drill rod heated red hot and hammered to thickness then grind the scale off and file / draw file smooth plus grind to width. I put the bends in by heating the area red hot and bending. Finally heat the spring red hot, quench in water followed by drawing the temper to 720F to 740F in molten lead for about 3 minutes. In the case of a long spring draw one end submerged then reverse and draw the other end submerged in molten lead. Almost forgot; after the heating and hammering stage, I anneal the spring in wood ash before filing it
In your case I would suggest starting with 3/16 or 1/4 inch drill and hammer it down to about .03" or so. There are some catches relative to you; you need a source of heat --- I use an oxy propane cutting torch for heat, I use a Lee electric lead pot to melt the lead and use a high temperature thermometer that I bought from Brownell's many years ago , to measure temperature. I only remember 1 spring breaking in use, out of those that I have made

cheers mooncoon
 
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a couple weeks ago I made a "make do" spring for a mag with steel packing strapping. it has a bit of "springiness" to it as made. the trick is to get the sharp bends into it without it breaking. It will break if bent tight cold but I heated the bend up, bent it and then dunked it, probably should have "tempered" as Moon suggestsbut didnt and it works "as is".
 
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