Cree hunter upset after Quebec police question if his guns are registered

CV32 said:
His personal motivations (or yours) are irrelevant to me. Quebec's Firearms Registration Act is nonsensical, and I refuse to wag my finger at someone for not complying with it. Full stop. You are quite welcome to disagree with me.
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I agree with you 100%. An ineffective and wasteful law is what it is.
 
woodchopper said:
well the quebec registry is about equivalent to the speed limit laws and the highway traffic act.

I guess no one speeds in Quebec either

or does rolling stops at rural stop signs

or about a million other stupid laws, like bringing beer across provincial borders

I registered what I was forced to register under the old LGR, not all my firearms were registered and some were registered multiple times due to all the errors in the system, not to mention the ones that I transferred and somehow ended up still registered to me years later. As far as I was concerned it was not possible to comply with a system that was so riddled by errors.
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No doubt the LGR was 100% erroneous. That cannot be disputed. By the sounds of it, you made every effort to comply. And that is the difference. You didnt shrug your shoulders and claim ignorance, then go to the media to air your grievance and broadcast your ignorance all in the name of hunting traditions that never traditionally included firearms. Huge difference if you ask me
 
CV32 said:
His personal motivations (or yours) are irrelevant to me. Quebec's Firearms Registration Act is nonsensical, and I refuse to wag my finger at someone for not complying with it. Full stop. You are quite welcome to disagree with me.
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Thats the beauty of opinions...we’re all right in our own minds...beautiful world isnt it!
 
CV32 said:
And I defend your right to an opinion. :)
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Likewise. And to be honest, I don't disagree with your opinion about a registry. I very much agree with a lot of it. What irks me about this case is the mans motive and his integrity. I dont believe either is for the betterment of the firearms community. I think it does more harm than good
 
Milanczar said:
And so the constabulary know where to go in case of High River and/or for their convenient ability to assist you with dispossession.....
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I could only be so lucky the police would save my babies. It'd have to be a pretty wild event for my wife or I not to be present to save them ourselves though.
Papaclaude said:
That was the one and only good thing about the LGR for me. I'm terrible at keeping track of what I have, let alone things like serial numbers.
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I use the app gunsafe but would an insurance company just believe I have thousands of dollars of guns? Half with no receipt? Not sure, never claimed something expensive. I feel like insurance companies don't generally take people's word.
 
GuiltySpark said:
I could only be so lucky the police would save my babies. It'd have to be a pretty wild event for my wife or I not to be present to save them ourselves though.


I use the app gunsafe but would an insurance company just believe I have thousands of dollars of guns? Half with no receipt? Not sure, never claimed something expensive. I feel like insurance companies don't generally take people's word.
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I keep a spreadsheet of all my inventory which includes all details of each gun and have photos to back up my spreadsheet and determine condition of said firearms. Important to photograph serial numbers as well. Spreadsheet and photos are saved on a computer at a different address. Also important to inform insurance company of value of personal belongings...no need to get into specifics. Just enough to ensure you have adequate coverage dollarwise
 
1963beretta said:
Likewise. And to be honest, I don't disagree with your opinion about a registry. I very much agree with a lot of it. What irks me about this case is the mans motive and his integrity. I dont believe either is for the betterment of the firearms community. I think it does more harm than good
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I can't make any judgments about his integrity from the media article. He was confronted with a nonsensical law, and I can't fault him for not complying with it.
 
Is it my imagination or am I accurate in saying it seems that when this poster starts a thread the topic is generally one that will invoke a lot of passion and anger about hot button topics ? Now at face value that seems okay but I do notice that the topics are ones that we, as fellow CGN's may cause us to slide down a slippery slope. The commentary is such that some responses may diminish our credibility or worse even expose potential negative overtones about the culture we live in today relating to political correctness ?
I am not saying all people take that route but certainly some comments would make smug people outside this circle enjoy reading them.
Don't know about the rest of you but his or her threads make my spider senses tingle.
 
1963beretta said:
Whats not hard to grasp is that no law enforcement authority should have the right to pick and chose who he/she decides to enforce laws onto. Either its law or its not. The rule of law is the rule of law. And in this case, we all know why it wasnt enforced.
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You are correct and I agree with both you and CV32, however, one might argue that this is actually a good thing for firearms owners (especially those in Quebec). Opens the door for a discrimination case and challenge of the validity of the registry if one group (in this case cree), the law was not applied to but for the next black, white, asian whatever group that gets knicked and fined or charged or whatever. A half decent lawyer should be able to make a fair case against the constitutionality of the entire debacle because of this. Glad the Cree gentleman was not charged.
 
Gunslingr said:
You are correct and I agree with both you and CV32, however, one might argue that this is actually a good thing for firearms owners (especially those in Quebec). Opens the door for a discrimination case and challenge of the validity of the registry if one group (in this case cree), the law was not applied to but for the next black, white, asian whatever group that gets knicked and fined or charged or whatever. A half decent lawyer should be able to make a fair case against the constitutionality of the entire debacle because of this. Glad the Cree gentleman was not charged.
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I look forward to the time when someone can successfully challenge the Firearms Registration Act. The Quebec firearms community deserves better.
 
CV32 said:
I look forward to the time when someone can successfully challenge the Firearms Registration Act. The Quebec firearms community deserves better.
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People have tried and lost their livelihood, their business, their homes and their ability to own and use the things they cherished. All in the name of opposing a registry that was eventually squashed without the need of their heroics. It would be fantastic if Quebec would abolish their stupid registry. I doubt it will happen any time soon given the amount of Liberal support in the province, but Im sure if it is ever accomplished, it wont be done on the backs of fella’s like Mr Cree.

The issue just sucks as a whole, me thinks.
 
Gunslingr said:
You are correct and I agree with both you and CV32, however, one might argue that this is actually a good thing for firearms owners (especially those in Quebec). Opens the door for a discrimination case and challenge of the validity of the registry if one group (in this case cree), the law was not applied to but for the next black, white, asian whatever group that gets knicked and fined or charged or whatever. A half decent lawyer should be able to make a fair case against the constitutionality of the entire debacle because of this. Glad the Cree gentleman was not charged.
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There in lies the problem. Too often have we seen a very different set of standards used. Our laws are built on precedence, but unfortunately precedence only takes into account rulings made by the courts, not by a random police offer.
 
1963beretta said:
People have tried and lost their livelihood, their business, their homes and their ability to own and use the things they cherished. All in the name of opposing a registry that was eventually squashed without the need of their heroics. It would be fantastic if Quebec would abolish their stupid registry. I doubt it will happen any time soon given the amount of Liberal support in the province, but Im sure if it is ever accomplished, it wont be done on the backs of fella’s like Mr Cree. The issue just sucks as a whole, me thinks.
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It doesn't take a 'hero' type to challenge the Firearms Registration Act. Just a charge under the Act that someone is willing to defend, and the willingness to defend it by challenging the underpinnings of the legislation.
 
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