CRF, snapping extractor over a round in the chamber

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Not that anyone needs 4 rounds of 416 Rigby, but I was wondering.... My Brno ZKK 602 that I acquired from a fellow gunnut holds 3 down, but if I load 3 in the magazine, one in the chamber, and hold the 3 in the magazine down slightly with my thumb until the bolt is clear of feeding a round in, the extractor snaps over the rim of the one in the chamber and voila, I have 4 416 Rigby's ready to go. My question is:

Is that hard on the extractor? Am I going to break/bend/weaken it with repeated use this way?
 
A safer way to do it is to take the bolt out. Slide the cartridge into the extractor, then push the bolt back in, when you have loaded the mag.
 
It is not a problem to snap the extractor over the rim providing it will go. Sometimes, it is necessary to squeeze in on the extractor behind the collar to help it snap over. You'll wear your hand out before you wear the extractor out. Regards, Bill
 
I think the problem arises with some of the old rifles that had tolerances between the extractor and receiver wall so tight that the extractor is unable to move out of the way and slip over the case head.

Can't see this being a problem on any sort of reasonably new rifle. If you have to force the issue or are buggering the extractor grooves on the cases so fed I would have a gunsmith look at it.

I have an old 602 that needed a bit of love in this department....Wasn't a big deal at all.
It would take a serious effort to break that extractor! :D
 
Excellent answers fella's, thanks for the education, it slips over just find, on the downward stroke of the bolt, and no ill damage to the cartridge in any way. Its more of a novelty I can tell guys at the range after the look at the cartridge with open mouths, and ask how many she holds, I can say "3 down, on in the tube". Plus 4 is always better than 3 isn't it? ;)
 
tkv000 said:
Excellent answers fella's, thanks for the education, it slips over just find, on the downward stroke of the bolt, and no ill damage to the cartridge in any way. Its more of a novelty I can tell guys at the range after the look at the cartridge with open mouths, and ask how many she holds, I can say "3 down, on in the tube". Plus 4 is always better than 3 isn't it? ;)
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4 is definitely better then 3 :)

If the extractor is the moving type (not sure if there are any firearms that have a fixed extractor), and it slips over nicely, I wouldn't worry about it.

Thats how all single shot bolt actions operate, I would assume.

If you are really worried about it, you could load one in the mag, chamber it, eject the mag, load 3, and load the mag.
 
ENIGMATIC1 said:
4 is definitely better then 3 :)

If the extractor is the moving type (not sure if there are any firearms that have a fixed extractor), and it slips over nicely, I wouldn't worry about it.

Thats how all single shot bolt actions operate, I would assume.

If you are really worried about it, you could load one in the mag, chamber it, eject the mag, load 3, and load the mag.
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The Extractor is a non-rotating mauser type (I think that's the official terminology) and its a drop bottom, not a magazine, sorry.
 
I can do it on both my BRNO 600 and 602 but I don't do it on a regular basis. My 602 hold 6 .375H&Hs in the magazine. If I can't get it done with 6 then I'm probably done for the day.
 
geologist said:
I can do it on both my BRNO 600 and 602 but I don't do it on a regular basis. My 602 hold 6 .375H&Hs in the magazine. If I can't get it done with 6 then I'm probably done for the day.
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HA! agreed! One of my 375's holds 6 down as well, and your absolutly right about that, if its not dead in 6, it has the right to eat you. :agree:
 
I do it all the time. If it's an older rifle, you may need to press the extractor a wee bit with your left hand fingertips as you chamber the round.

I suppose you can also chamber the round, turn it upside down and dump 3 cartridges into the magazine from the bottom, I've seen that done, too.:D
 
Mausers are a "Controlled Feed" magazine, it is not a good practice to try to slip the extractor over the rim when loading this way. They are designed to work from the magazine. In the calibre your rifle is in I will assume that it is for dangerous game, sure the first one might work just fine like that but what if you "Really" need that next round!!!

Scott
 
m39a2 said:
Mausers are a "Controlled Feed" magazine, it is not a good practice to try to slip the extractor over the rim when loading this way. They are designed to work from the magazine. In the calibre your rifle is in I will assume that it is for dangerous game, sure the first one might work just fine like that but what if you "Really" need that next round!!!

Scott
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How do single shot bolt action extractors function?
 
It will do no harm whatsoever to slip the extractor over the rim of a chambered cartridge in these rifles, as long as it has the clearance needed to do so. I have done this many, many times in several Mauser actions chambered in 308 Norma Mag....no issues at all. Eagleye.
 
Lots of points here. First off, it won't hurt your extractor to jump the rim, if it does it easily. If you have to hammer the handle down, don't do it.Then get the extractor modified so it will jump. An extractor that won't jump is a solid jam waiting to happen.
You can bottom feed a top feed rifle. The trick is that the first round in has to go to the appropriate side so the last one meshes with the follower.
4 .416 rounds are better than 3. By installing a Wisner drop pocket floor-plate in my 550 .416 Rigby I got 4 down and 1 in the pipe. 5 beats 4. My .375 takes 6 down for a honest .375 7 shooter.
 
M70s and Rugers are designed to have the extractor jump the rim, should you simply want to drop a round in the chamber and ram the bolt closed. Original Mausers were not designed to do it, though if you give them a squeeze with your fingers they should still close fine with no ill effects.
 
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