crimping with 2nd seater die

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I got a spare seater die sitting around and was just thinking:
would it be possible to install it on the last stage (afer the actual seater I'm using) of my progressive without the seater (just the body of the seater die) and have it mimic Lee's FCD?
anyone tried that?

EDIT: I'm running a redding competition seater as my seater, I don't feel the need to BUY the FCD but:
charles.emond said:
i'm trying to find a new life to unused equipment!
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So basically you'd seat the bullet on the 3rd stage using no crimp, and then on the 4th have it crimp with the bullet seater removed. I don't see why it wouldn't work. I know for rifle some guys back off the die so as not to seat and crimp in the same step.

I'm guessing it wouldn't work as well as the FCD for the fact that the FCD post sizes the round as opposed to just crimping (so they say). Just one guys opinion though. Probably better than seat/crimp in one step and not as good as FCD on the last stage.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
So basically you'd seat the bullet on the 3rd stage using no crimp, and then on the 4th have it crimp with the bullet seater removed. I don't see why it wouldn't work. I know for rifle some guys back off the die so as not to seat and crimp in the same step.

I'm guessing it wouldn't work as well as the FCD for the fact that the FCD post sizes the round as opposed to just crimping (so they say). Just one guys opinion though. Probably better than seat/crimp in one step and not as good as FCD on the last stage.
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my redding competition seater is already performing a pretty good job, but since last station is empty I was thinking I could try this on if someone had experienced it before.
 
The Lee crimp dies are cheap enough (around $11), do a fantastic job, and are stupid simple to set-up.

My Redding Comp. dies size and seat - I leave the crimping to the Leed FCD.
 
If your using either a 4 or 5 progressive station press. With or without a volumetric powder station or a powder check system may something to consider. two dies, crimping twice after the seating die is wasted effort.

Driller
 
I would rather just get a dedicated crimp die, such as the above mentioned Lee Factory Crimp.
 
To achieve what you want, just spend the $35 and get a Lee FCD. I can't see the benefit of using a regular seating die to crimp in a separate operation?
 
To answer your original question, yes, you can use your spare seating die to crimp, but it won't "mimic" Lee's FCD. Seating dies roll crimp, FCDs taper crimp. So make sure you have a cannelure on your bullets if you intend on doing anything more than removing the bell.

You could easily achieve the same thing with a single die though, so I don't really see the point.
 
refer to my new initial post for further FCD hailing

I know typical seater die crimping is roll crimping. But it was brought to my attention someone at my club performs this 2nd trip to the seater die without a seater. Was just lookin for afterhand feedback


But as mentionned earlier, just looking to give an use to an unused piece of equipment.
 
I did read your updated initial post. Maybe I'm completely missing the point, but I think the communication breakdown stems from the fact that you assume the roll-crimping is done by the seating stem, and that removing the seating stem would somehow change the crimping function of the seating die.

Unless I'm mistaken, the crimping shoulder is on the inside of the die body; removing the seating stem won't change the way the die crimps the case.

If you want to give new life to unused equipment, sell it to someone who'll use it.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
So basically you'd seat the bullet on the 3rd stage using no crimp, and then on the 4th have it crimp with the bullet seater removed. I don't see why it wouldn't work. I know for rifle some guys back off the die so as not to seat and crimp in the same step.

I'm guessing it wouldn't work as well as the FCD for the fact that the FCD post sizes the round as opposed to just crimping (so they say). Just one guys opinion though. Probably better than seat/crimp in one step and not as good as FCD on the last stage.
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The Lee FCD for handgun cartridges (straight walled case) does post size the finished cartridge. This die has a carbide insert to accomplish this.

The rifle FCD uses a collet to squeeze the neck of the cartridge.

Just my .02 cents. :D
 
Cerdan said:
I did read your updated initial post. Maybe I'm completely missing the point, but I think the communication breakdown stems from the fact that you assume the roll-crimping is done by the seating stem, and that removing the seating stem would somehow change the crimping function of the seating die.

Unless I'm mistaken, the crimping shoulder is on the inside of the die body; removing the seating stem won't change the way the die crimps the case.

If you want to give new life to unused equipment, sell it to someone who'll use it.
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It has a replaced lock ring and a standalone seater die is not something alot of people would fancy. Especially given the fact I already offered people in my area so shipping would make the deal, OH so bad.

Actually I don't intend to screw the die to the point of roll crimping and I know the roll crimp is done by the body of the die. The whole point, I beleive, is to make sure tension on bullet is uniform for all. Maybe he was reffering to old or lame dies, IDK
 
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