Crosman 2240 Questions

[djmay71]

1) Is the Crosman 2240 still available as the "backpacker" model with the stock?

2) Can the 2240 be modified past 500 fps, therefore classifying it as a firearm? If the stock is permanently affixed- could it classified as a non-restricted- or would it be destined to always be restricted?

3) If the answers to both 1 & 2 were 'yes'- what mods are done to the 2240 to increase its power?

 

[Wrong Way]

1. No, and it never was. You may be thinking of the slightly larger 2250
2. Yes, it can be, and no, it can't be. Once a pistol always a pistol.

 

[NorthCoastBigBore]

You can buy a stock for a 2240 for under 15$ (Scopes&Ammo had them in stock last month) and turn the 2240 into a backpacker.

x2 on the above answer.

 

[SoBored]

Once a pistol always a pistol.

Exactly. If you want a Non restricted get a 2260 or a Discovery. It's not worth buying a pellet gun pistol, getting it over 500fps and adding a stock and trying to get the RCMP to class it as a non restricted rifle.

Someone said years ago about this subject, "Don't draw attention."

 

[NorthCoastBigBore]

Right, not suggesting you'd add the stock & bump it up to 500+.

The stock IS a cheap, quick and a handy addition to the 2240 pistol, kept under 500 fps.

 

[windage]

The grey area is the weight of the pellet. There is such a large selection of pellet weights available for both 22 and 177 calibers. The extreme light weight pellets do often put most pellet rifles and pistols above the velocity of 500 fps.
Example, the 177 cal pellets range in weight from 5.4gr to over 16 gr. A pellet rifle rated for 500 fps with an average 8gr pellet creates just over 6 joules.
The law says over 500 fps and 5.7 joules of energy will classify it as a firearm. Put in the same rifle a 5.4 gr raptor pellet and now you are most likely hitting 600 fps and 5.83 joules of energy. You are now using a firearm.
So basically any pellet rifle or pistol that creates more then 5.7 joules of energy just below 500 fps can be easily reclassified as a firearm just by changing ammo selection.
But all of this is BS anyways because the definition of a firearm is not the same as an airgun therefore how can an airgun be considered the same as a firearm?
Quote definition from Wikipedia
"A firearm is a weapon that launches one or more projectile(s) at high velocity through confined burning of a propellant"

 

[NorthCoastBigBore]

Yeah it's a mass of confusion - you need to meet BOTH the 500 fps threshold AND the 5.7 joules together though, so even though you may break the fpe threshold below 500 fps, as long as it is not over 500 fps you are not using a firearm.

Similarly, it is possible to be over 500 fps and NOT meet the energy requirement and thus not a firearm BUT if the airgun is capable of firing a projectile heavy enough at 500 fps+ that it could meet the energy threshold, then you have a firearm...

There was another long thread on this last week, including the legislation - also is well canvassed in the canada airgun forum.

 

[djmay71]

The grey area is the weight of the pellet. There is such a large selection of pellet weights available for both 22 and 177 calibers. The extreme light weight pellets do often put most pellet rifles and pistols above the velocity of 500 fps.
Example, the 177 cal pellets range in weight from 5.4gr to over 16 gr. A pellet rifle rated for 500 fps with an average 8gr pellet creates just over 6 joules.
The law says over 500 fps and 5.7 joules of energy will classify it as a firearm. Put in the same rifle a 5.4 gr raptor pellet and now you are most likely hitting 600 fps and 5.83 joules of energy. You are now using a firearm.
So basically any pellet rifle or pistol that creates more then 5.7 joules of energy just below 500 fps can be easily reclassified as a firearm just by changing ammo selection.
But all of this is BS anyways because the definition of a firearm is not the same as an airgun therefore how can an airgun be considered the same as a firearm?
Quote definition from Wikipedia
"A firearm is a weapon that launches one or more projectile(s) at high velocity through confined burning of a propellant"

Reading this made my head hurt. Damn Canadian Legislation...

 

[Vettek50]

1) Is the Crosman 2240 still available as the "backpacker" model with the stock?

2) Can the 2240 be modified past 500 fps, therefore classifying it as a firearm? If the stock is permanently affixed- could it classified as a non-restricted- or would it be destined to always be restricted?

3) If the answers to both 1 & 2 were 'yes'- what mods are done to the 2240 to increase its power?

1) yes the 2240 is one of the most modifiable air pistol . stocks are available from the finest "D&L air guns" langley BC, very nice people, they will Help!!!

2) yes way passed 1200 fps, you need to utube that question, do you want to regrister? well that[s up to you

3) installation of metal breech, install new spring with adjustable rear thumb screw(used to increase pressure when needed), install new bolt that reseats pellet deeper into breech, increase diameter of air passages, . about .100".. replace co2 toy tank with hipac high pressure resourvoir, use 1200 1500 psi co2.. add a 22" barrel (if you want) this combination will fly the pellet about 1200fps(pressure dependant and about 10 shots)..some real nice vidsor do search from there..

 

[metalbender]

Did some mods on a 2240, no power stuff because with the longer bbl it chronos out at just under 500fps. Steel breech, tank in the stock, bbl shroud,laser and Bug Buster 6X scope.

 

[NorthCoastBigBore]

Looking sharp, great work

Metalbender, didn't you do your own 10/22 Tommy Gun build as well? Great skills you have.

 

[metalbender]

Yup, did the Crosman before the Tommy gun. I'm quite fortunate in purchasing tools and machinery for a few years before retirement so I'm not retired and saying WTF now? With the proper equipment one doesn't have to settle for off the shelf products to mod and customize. Recently picked up a Savage 64 for another winter project. Saw a neat looking aum stock CZ in the rimfire section. Similar to a Barrett 50. Thanks for the positive comments.

 

[dHb]

The grey area is the weight of the pellet. There is such a large selection of pellet weights available for both 22 and 177 calibers. The extreme light weight pellets do often put most pellet rifles and pistols above the velocity of 500 fps.
Example, the 177 cal pellets range in weight from 5.4gr to over 16 gr. A pellet rifle rated for 500 fps with an average 8gr pellet creates just over 6 joules.
The law says over 500 fps and 5.7 joules of energy will classify it as a firearm. Put in the same rifle a 5.4 gr raptor pellet and now you are most likely hitting 600 fps and 5.83 joules of energy. You are now using a firearm.
So basically any pellet rifle or pistol that creates more then 5.7 joules of energy just below 500 fps can be easily reclassified as a firearm just by changing ammo selection.
But all of this is BS anyways because the definition of a firearm is not the same as an airgun therefore how can an airgun be considered the same as a firearm?
Quote definition from Wikipedia
"A firearm is a weapon that launches one or more projectile(s) at high velocity through confined burning of a propellant"

The Wikipedia definition isn't relevant. As set out in the Firearms Act, "firearm" means: a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes.

Airguns that are capable of taking out an eye (the apparent criteria for serious bodily injury), yet fall below the velocity/energy thresholds, are still "firearms" they are just not subject to all of the criminal code provisions pertaining to firearms.