Cross Bows in a Early Bow Season?
- Thread starter Cricket
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You can, if you get a waver from MNR indicating that you can't use a regular bow due to a physical condition.
I honestly don't see the point of making a difference between bows and crossbows.
Both use arrows, both have similar effective ranges, one is just slightly easier to use (still requires a significant amount of skill and and good part of luck in order to get the target critter within range). Bows have a higher rate of fire in case of a miss that doesn't spook the critter.
Putting bows and crossbows in seperate categories simply serve to shoot ourselves in the proverbial foot IMO by further complicating the process of taking up hunting as a hobby.
I honestly don't see the point of making a difference between bows and crossbows.
Both use arrows, both have similar effective ranges, one is just slightly easier to use (still requires a significant amount of skill and and good part of luck in order to get the target critter within range). Bows have a higher rate of fire in case of a miss that doesn't spook the critter.
Putting bows and crossbows in seperate categories simply serve to shoot ourselves in the proverbial foot IMO by further complicating the process of taking up hunting as a hobby.
I am one of the 'lucky ones' who due to a work related injury, cannot pull a bow anymore. I have my permit to allow me to use a crossbow, and am thankful for it every day that I get to go out and enjoy the early season hunt
Cricket... Open your mind! Aside from the crossbows vs other bows debate you present...
As part of the shooting sports, YOU MUST stand up for your fellow sports enthusiast!!! To do otherwise is to find ourselves divided & eventually conquored!!! (As an example, think along the lines of the cancelled spring bear hunt in Ontario...) Far to often I hear this "line of thinking", where someone only interested in deer hunting with their bolt action rifle WON'T stand up & defend their fellow sports enthusiasts who shoot black rifles or pistols... We HAVE to change this attitude!
So, to answer your question, YES crossbows should be allowed in ANY open archery season! Heck, have a look at some of the compound bows out there now, with fibre optic sites, HUGE let-off's and mechanical releases... They sure aren't your average "stick-bow" anymore!!!
Those that argue that crossbows are too easy to use, look at it another way... Crossbows allow someone to shoot a bow accurately with minimal practise. That is the MAIN reason I hunt with one, I simply don't have the time to practise with a vertical bow! Along this line of thinking, I believe crossbows reduce injuries to game animals because they are easier to use & accurate!
Crossbows can bring MORE people into the sport, those with a disability or again, as in my case, NO time to spend at the range!
I hope you change your position on this Cricket, open your mind! Try a crossbow, enjoy our sport!
Cheers
Jay
As part of the shooting sports, YOU MUST stand up for your fellow sports enthusiast!!! To do otherwise is to find ourselves divided & eventually conquored!!! (As an example, think along the lines of the cancelled spring bear hunt in Ontario...) Far to often I hear this "line of thinking", where someone only interested in deer hunting with their bolt action rifle WON'T stand up & defend their fellow sports enthusiasts who shoot black rifles or pistols... We HAVE to change this attitude!
So, to answer your question, YES crossbows should be allowed in ANY open archery season! Heck, have a look at some of the compound bows out there now, with fibre optic sites, HUGE let-off's and mechanical releases... They sure aren't your average "stick-bow" anymore!!!
Those that argue that crossbows are too easy to use, look at it another way... Crossbows allow someone to shoot a bow accurately with minimal practise. That is the MAIN reason I hunt with one, I simply don't have the time to practise with a vertical bow! Along this line of thinking, I believe crossbows reduce injuries to game animals because they are easier to use & accurate!
Crossbows can bring MORE people into the sport, those with a disability or again, as in my case, NO time to spend at the range!
I hope you change your position on this Cricket, open your mind! Try a crossbow, enjoy our sport!
Cheers
Jay
why are you against it? before I just say my answer, it's good to start with what your position is..
BTW: most objections of crossbows from a bow season are emotional ones (due to a bad experience, or fear of other hunters ) writing a paper for a degree should be factual (which you will find favors cross bows due to the many benefits)
BTW: most objections of crossbows from a bow season are emotional ones (due to a bad experience, or fear of other hunters ) writing a paper for a degree should be factual (which you will find favors cross bows due to the many benefits)
Pudelpointer
CGN frequent flyer
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- Lethbridge, Alberta
Do your own homework!
Have fun writing.
Have fun writing.
If there is one good thing about Ontario, its that a crossbow is considered a bow...Why would you be against a fellow hunter harvesting an animal in an entirely legal fashion?
It is still harder than using a firearm...scent control, camo, movement, and setup all come into play. There is far more to using a crossbow than just aim and shoot.
It is still harder than using a firearm...scent control, camo, movement, and setup all come into play. There is far more to using a crossbow than just aim and shoot.
x2. How about instead of writing a paper which would, because of your bias, push for crossbows not being allowed to be used during archery, or at least not early in the season(??), why not write about taking whichever tools you wish to legally take hunting during any time in the open season, and the threats to our right to do so.
Well there is the small matter of the blaze orange requirement and the difference in dangerous ranges between firearms and bows/crossbows so I'm willing to cut the OP <some> slack in the matter.
Pudelpointer - I am, and have being doing research on this topic but thank you for your concern. The idea behind this paper is to create controversy within the class. I put the post on here to see what fellow hunters feel about this subject. This paper I am doing has factual points along with peoples experiences and personal opions.
I am against it for a few reasons but think that everyone are making valid points.
I was raised in a traditional recurve area most of my hunting mentors are recurve shooters and compound men and women. I am not very familiar with cross bows but have shot quit a few on 3d courses and I enjoy the sport. I believe that shooting a cross bow increases your range from traditional bows and increases the success rate making cross bows a advantage over the people that shoot traditional bows like myself. With new technologies in compound bows I found that the statistics between some cross bows and compound bows are very similar; however still believe the ease and stance of holding a cross bow still takes away from the amount of practice ethical hunters spend practicing well thought and safe shots.
This assignment in school must be controversial and create a debate within the class. I am testing my subject on line here because there are more hunters here than in class. I am not trying to step on anybody's toes and apologize if someone is taking this to heart it is suppose to be a "fun" debate.
Cheers,
Crick
I am against it for a few reasons but think that everyone are making valid points.
I was raised in a traditional recurve area most of my hunting mentors are recurve shooters and compound men and women. I am not very familiar with cross bows but have shot quit a few on 3d courses and I enjoy the sport. I believe that shooting a cross bow increases your range from traditional bows and increases the success rate making cross bows a advantage over the people that shoot traditional bows like myself. With new technologies in compound bows I found that the statistics between some cross bows and compound bows are very similar; however still believe the ease and stance of holding a cross bow still takes away from the amount of practice ethical hunters spend practicing well thought and safe shots.
This assignment in school must be controversial and create a debate within the class. I am testing my subject on line here because there are more hunters here than in class. I am not trying to step on anybody's toes and apologize if someone is taking this to heart it is suppose to be a "fun" debate.
Cheers,
Crick
HighTeckRedNeck
Regular
- Location
- Saskatoon, SK
I think there should be a bow season then a muzzleloader / crossbow seasons followed by a rifle season
This is like saying that if you have a $3500 .338 and I only have my grandpa's lever .30-30, and I can't afford or for some reason have no desire to upgrade to a better gun and cartridge (that lets you take longer shots more accurately and is advantageous), then you will not be allowed to use it in gun eason, but must use it only in...super...gun season...i'm sure you see my point
"...I am against it..." You against using a single shot muzzle loader in the regular rifle season too?
"...believe that shooting a cross bow increases your range..." So what if it does? A bow is a bow.
"...advantage over the people that shoot traditional bows like myself..." That kind of silliness is exactly what the anti-hunting gangs want. Hunters fighting with hunters about what should and should not be legal. First they'll outlaw hunting with crossbows, then they'll outlaw hunting with your stick bow.
"...more hunters here than in class..." Yep. You'll likely find a lot of your classmates don't think you should be allowed to hunt at all.
"...believe that shooting a cross bow increases your range..." So what if it does? A bow is a bow.
"...advantage over the people that shoot traditional bows like myself..." That kind of silliness is exactly what the anti-hunting gangs want. Hunters fighting with hunters about what should and should not be legal. First they'll outlaw hunting with crossbows, then they'll outlaw hunting with your stick bow.
"...more hunters here than in class..." Yep. You'll likely find a lot of your classmates don't think you should be allowed to hunt at all.
You can insert me into the Pro Crossbow column as well.
As a matter of fact, I think one should have to apply for a "Special" license to use traditional equipment, and Compounds as well. As a person needs very little experience to operate a Crossbow with proficiency, they are the more "Ethical" choice, as little training is needed to make clean kills. Whereas, traditional bows as well as compounds, needs to have substantial time and training to operate in a proficient manner!
As a matter of fact, I think one should have to apply for a "Special" license to use traditional equipment, and Compounds as well. As a person needs very little experience to operate a Crossbow with proficiency, they are the more "Ethical" choice, as little training is needed to make clean kills. Whereas, traditional bows as well as compounds, needs to have substantial time and training to operate in a proficient manner!
wheelin_ca
CGN Regular
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- Simcoe County Ontario Canada
you want a debate... pick another topic... I cant see many non hunters getting too emotional about this one..
I would choose Hunting on public (city) land to control Urban deer/coyote/goose etc populations
that debate could go on forever, and you get an A lol
oh forgot to mention.... crossbows are on par with compounds in my opinion...... allow compounds allow crossbows.
from an excaliber owner
I would choose Hunting on public (city) land to control Urban deer/coyote/goose etc populations
that debate could go on forever, and you get an A lol
oh forgot to mention.... crossbows are on par with compounds in my opinion...... allow compounds allow crossbows.
from an excaliber owner
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blasted_saber
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- A blue part of Ontario
Ummmmmm.....yes? Why not. Its a bow after all. Range limitations and stealth are still huge factors.
Have you ever hunted with a crossbow yourself?
Have you ever hunted with a crossbow yourself?
superd222
CGN frequent flyer
Looks like you've got a good controversial debate started here!
I am pro-crossbow 100%. I own one and hunt with it. I will never hunt with a compound or recurve bow - that would be unethical! However, if given the choice, I'd take a rifle or shotgun every time.
Good luck with your paper - SD
I am pro-crossbow 100%. I own one and hunt with it. I will never hunt with a compound or recurve bow - that would be unethical! However, if given the choice, I'd take a rifle or shotgun every time.
Good luck with your paper - SD
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=77117&highlight=Crossbow
Here is a bit of a debate on the subject. I support crossbow hunting in all open seasons. Because of that thread bow hunting on my property has been forbidden. And yes I own a bow and used to hunt with until a shoulder injury ended that adventure. Fish cops said no to the exemption.
Here is a bit of a debate on the subject. I support crossbow hunting in all open seasons. Because of that thread bow hunting on my property has been forbidden. And yes I own a bow and used to hunt with until a shoulder injury ended that adventure. Fish cops said no to the exemption.
There is a similar thread in the archery sub-forum.
One thing I have to point out is that a crossbow does not increase your range over a modern compound. Someone who is smaller and weaker may benefit from an increase in range, but only because they would lack the ability to draw and hold a 70lb compound.
My reason for switching (Ive shot recurves, compounds, and crossbows) is that I don't have to draw an arrow back, potetially spooking a deer. That and I dont have to practice anywhere near as much. There are many drawbacks though, bulk being a primary one.
Do you think hunters using 209 fired muzzleloaders should be banned from the muzzleloader season?
One thing I have to point out is that a crossbow does not increase your range over a modern compound. Someone who is smaller and weaker may benefit from an increase in range, but only because they would lack the ability to draw and hold a 70lb compound.
My reason for switching (Ive shot recurves, compounds, and crossbows) is that I don't have to draw an arrow back, potetially spooking a deer. That and I dont have to practice anywhere near as much. There are many drawbacks though, bulk being a primary one.
Do you think hunters using 209 fired muzzleloaders should be banned from the muzzleloader season?
