Cross Industries 4X Coupler

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I'm sure Cross Industries will do their own post on their subforum, but this Instagram post, https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXJjHOMAoVr/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link , regarding their new 4X Coupler for their Cross Mags may be of interest to those here. The final production model will be the same colour as the Cross Mags. They will be selling a package that includes a free coupler with four Cross Mags called the Quick Reaction 40. Great to see the innovation, and I could see this doing well in California and Europe with similar magazine restrictions.

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Quad pistol mag couplers have been done before, it's not a new concept.

Fab Defense has had a 5 mag coupler for years, too.

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Stevo said:
Quad pistol mag couplers have been done before, it's not a new concept.
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True, but the Cross Mags are popular in Canada, so having a coupler for them specifically is useful, plus, and my bad for forgetting to mention this, it fully supports the orientation switching ability of the Cross Mag, meaning you can have one banana shaped stack, one straight stack, or two of each, or any combination therein; its the 21st century, so whatever floats your canoe :p
 
I like innovation, with these I have cautious optimism

Cross mags are great, don't get me wrong. But I think that for competition, 2 Gun etc. shooting this brings

- The amount of ammo/magazines that can get dirty from going into the prone position just doubled
- The balance of the rifle just shifted & got heavier
- The likelyhood of getting the rifle caught on something or banging i against something just increased a lot

I think that with careful thinking about which stages to use these in they will be great but that they could also absolutely tank someone's run through too if it goes wrong.
 
Bratwurst said:
I like innovation, with these I have cautious optimism

Cross mags are great, don't get me wrong. But I think that for competition, 2 Gun etc. shooting this brings

- The amount of ammo/magazines that can get dirty from going into the prone position just doubled
- The balance of the rifle just shifted & got heavier
- The likelyhood of getting the rifle caught on something or banging i against something just increased a lot

I think that with careful thinking about which stages to use these in they will be great but that they could also absolutely tank someone's run through too if it goes wrong.
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Agreed, its more of a novelty item, only applicable in certain controlled circumstances. You don't see actual operators carrying coupled 40 round magazines in a similar arrangement too often, outside of a John Wick movie :p . Probably good for those with the finances and rounds to afford an impressive Canadian mag dump, or maybe good for a competitive stage with no proning and you have to hit a lot of targets.
 
Bratwurst said:
I like innovation, with these I have cautious optimism

Cross mags are great, don't get me wrong. But I think that for competition, 2 Gun etc. shooting this brings

- The amount of ammo/magazines that can get dirty from going into the prone position just doubled
- The balance of the rifle just shifted & got heavier
- The likelyhood of getting the rifle caught on something or banging i against something just increased a lot

I think that with careful thinking about which stages to use these in they will be great but that they could also absolutely tank someone's run through too if it goes wrong.
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I think there are a few solutions for these scenarios:

-If you must shoot prone, end to end coupled mags are not generally ideal unless you are careful. With the coupler, you could just run two mags side by side, and not run the bottom mags at all. You could also use one or two empty mags on the bottom to act as a bipod if that type of thing floats your boat.

-Yes, but not a lot more than a loaded 30rnd mag, which is what most people use outside of Canada. Certainly if extra rounds are of no benefit to your shooting situation then lighter weight is always appreciated, but if you need extra rounds on hand quick and easy this is a balanced package.

-I don't think this is really the case, an extra set of mags this close and tight to the firearm has much less width than your forearm, I think there are extraordinarily few instances where these extra mags would actually hit anything. Now that 5 mag coupler above, that is a different story, that setup is twice the width of the Cross 4x system.

I think there are a lot of competition benefits to these, of course it is not applicable to all stages. The biggest advantage to this system is having that many mags coupled together in a clean package, in situations where you may not have or want mag holsters or chest pouches, especially things like self defense.
 
DieselDave said:
I think there are a few solutions for these scenarios:

-If you must shoot prone, end to end coupled mags are not generally ideal unless you are careful. With the coupler, you could just run two mags side by side, and not run the bottom mags at all. You could also use one or two empty mags on the bottom to act as a bipod if that type of thing floats your boat.

-Yes, but not a lot more than a loaded 30rnd mag, which is what most people use outside of Canada. Certainly if extra rounds are of no benefit to your shooting situation then lighter weight is always appreciated, but if you need extra rounds on hand quick and easy this is a balanced package.

-I don't think this is really the case, an extra set of mags this close and tight to the firearm has much less width than your forearm, I think there are extraordinarily few instances where these extra mags would actually hit anything. Now that 5 mag coupler above, that is a different story, that setup is twice the width of the Cross 4x system.

I think there are a lot of competition benefits to these, of course it is not applicable to all stages. The biggest advantage to this system is having that many mags coupled together in a clean package, in situations where you may not have or want mag holsters or chest pouches, especially things like self defense.
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Nice summary! I hadn't even thought just using two on top for prone shooting, but I'm sure that would make life easier for people. I could see people on the range having a row of these with two on top nicely standing and awaiting to be grabbed up for loading.

Perhaps one more product Cross Industries could make is a feed lip side cover. You could snap the cover on quickly to keep dust out and rounds in when moving around with the firearm, and then flick it off when you need to use the bottom magazine. In DieselDave's "bipod" example, you could leave the lip covers on the bottom magazines for prone shooting with the bottom magazines either empty or filled but not used.
 
I like the concept. Me personally, I would get so confused during mag changes in the middle of a stage. Guaranteed I would at some point in the stage load a half or even completely empty mag. Click. Tap and rack. Click. LOL!
 
Poznan said:
Arm and gun has a cool video showing the coupler in action :


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Nice video! It really showcases how the Cross Magazines multiple orientations can be used in a practical manner, as how you set up the magazine package impacts performance with the Tavor used as the example. I suspect the same thing would apply to other bullpups, like the Type 97.
 
thegrandpoohbah said:
I like the concept. Me personally, I would get so confused during mag changes in the middle of a stage. Guaranteed I would at some point in the stage load a half or even completely empty mag. Click. Tap and rack. Click. LOL!
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I think the trick is to come up with a "pattern" of how you change mags, and then train that way.
 
Bratwurst said:
I like innovation, with these I have cautious optimism

Cross mags are great, don't get me wrong. But I think that for competition, 2 Gun etc. shooting this brings

- The amount of ammo/magazines that can get dirty from going into the prone position just doubled
- The balance of the rifle just shifted & got heavier
- The likelyhood of getting the rifle caught on something or banging i against something just increased a lot

I think that with careful thinking about which stages to use these in they will be great but that they could also absolutely tank someone's run through too if it goes wrong.
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i will have been easeir to shoot at capacity 30 round ones but we cant ...
 
Ustauk said:
Nice video! It really showcases how the Cross Magazines multiple orientations can be used in a practical manner, as how you set up the magazine package impacts performance with the Tavor used as the example. I suspect the same thing would apply to other bullpups, like the Type 97.
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It is a solution to a problem inherent to all bullpups, and that's excess bulk on the outside of the gun where your forearm sits. That means drums and traditional coupled magazines make it impractical and uncomfortable to shoulder and hold.
 
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