Crossbow hunting bans

First of all I shoot a 60lbs recurve Vert and a 185lbs crossbow. I agree that a novice picking up either of these two peices of archery equipment will 98% of the time be more accurate with the crossbow.

In my book this does not make the crossbow unworthy of being in an archery season. It is all what floats your boat!

I find that early season bowhunting gets the recurve because I have less clothes on, I can move around easier and there is more folage cover. once it starts getting toe hurtin cold then I switch to the crossbow because I'm more comfortable and I don't have to risk the draw movement. I still need that deer in side of 40 yards and I still need to raise the crossbow and more than often turn and hold some stupid looking god awful position for 5 minutes until I get my shot.

The way I see it:

All I care about is killing that deer with the best possible shot that will put the animal down fast and hard. I am pretty much equal shooting recurve and the crossbow in the early season and during the late season, my skills with the vert decline but my crossbow skills remain the same. I think that makes me more of an ethical hunter because I realize my limitations.

and if that makes me a Pussy, well... I am what I eat :) :eek: :)

Camper
 
Camper says it very well right here:

The way I see it:

All I care about is killing that deer with the best possible shot that will put the animal down fast and hard. I am pretty much equal shooting recurve and the crossbow in the early season and during the late season, my skills with the vert decline but my crossbow skills remain the same. I think that makes me more of an ethical hunter because I realize my limitations.

and if that makes me a Pussy, well... I am what I eat

Camper
 
Camper said:
First of all I shoot a 60lbs recurve Vert and a 185lbs crossbow. I agree that a novice picking up either of these two peices of archery equipment will 98% of the time be more accurate with the crossbow.
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Notice I said a recurve or long bow is in a different class all together. I wonder how many avid bow hunters, who use a compound bow with sights (exclusively), could pick up a recurve or a long bow and shoot it well enough to hunt with it. Probably none.
 
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Notice I said a recurve or long bow is in a different class all together. I wonder how many avid bow hunters, who use a compound bow with sights (exclusively), could pick up a recurve or a long bow and shoot it well enough to hunt with it. Probably none.
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probably 100% more than the "string gun" shooters can:eek:


1899, one thing that I don't think you understand is
that to shoot a vert bow, you need to have the exact same custom anchor point every single time:eek:


with an X-bow and 300 lb man can shoot it left handed, and then a 130lb female can pick up the thing right handed and launch a bolt to hit the exact same spot.;)

bottom line is that with a vert bow you have to draw nd hold the weight( for a short time) when an animal is in front of you, also sometimes standing up( depending on where the animal steps out)

with an x-bow, the shooter can draw(####) the bow prior to the hunt with a crankaroodoo( or what ever that thing is calle...it looks like a boat crank), walk or hunt(because remeber its already loaded) to the stand then sit down and rest the x-bow on a rest( if you have one, cause remeber x-bows can be shot off of rests, shooting sticks, which is something a vert bow can't do), when the animal steps out the shoot takes the safety off, looks through the scope and pulls the trigger on an animal all with little movement or sound( unlike a vert bow)

and the above was all done because an x-bow shooter only practised for a half hour sighting in( not saying all x-bowers only practise once, but it's certainly not mandatory like vert archers do)


1899, I don't know why you maintain that x-bows are just as hard to shoot as vert bows, but I can without hesitation say that you are wrong.

there's no two ways about it... any body can shoot an x-bow accuratly......not the same case as a vert bow...and if you lived closer to me, I could prove that point to you:) ;)


EDIT- for those of you who still have trouble seeing the difference, think of amphibious' example of spear fishermen who use tanks and spear fisherman who free dive( hold their breath)

if any body still can't get it....
then I give up, there is no hope.....
 
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Grouseman: I have used both. I have let friends of mine use both. You mention anchor point...that is why you get an anchor point marker. It's funny how the compound bow folks are saying "oh look how much more skill this takes..."etc etc. I wonder what the traditional bow hunters thought when compounds were coming out. Grouseman, you think your compound with 60% let-off is hard to hold? Try a 60lb long bow. Take 30 shots with it...if you can.;)

I'm not saying a cross-bow is just as hard to shoot as a compound...I am saying it is just as easy. But, like previously mentioned by Chopperhead, everyone is different.

Grouseman, have you tried to sneak through thick brush with a crossbow? Do you know that the crossbow must be cocked the same way each time, so that the string are held at the same location? How hard is it to get a second shot off with a crossbow vs a vertical bow? Each has its pluses and minuses. I think they balance out.
 
I think that for Alberta, crossbows will soon be accepted as bows for use in bow zones during bow seasons because the conventional bow hunters aren't killing enough deer. Anything to get more people hunting out there in acreage country would be welcomed by all except Bambi.
 
Luftmech wrote "Crossbows should be with muzzleloaders, Vert bows on their own. IMHO."

Why ?

and hell, if we are going to do that why not put the modern inline M/L in with the rifle season and only have the traditional M/L in the Muzzleloader season.

That's just Crazy talk IMHO.

Camper
 
What a bunch of hooey, archery is archery whether it is a crossbow a recurve or a compound bow. For chrisakes have you seen the technology on the new compound bows... believe me there is no advantage to a crossbow over these 85% let off 300fps compound bows.:eek:
It is the same stunned argument that is used by the traditional Muzzle loader crowd when talking about the new In-lines... "It ain't like mine so it ain't a muzzle loader" Bulls**t!:rolleyes:
If this argument had any merit at all we would not be allowed to use magnums or scopes and we all would be limited to 30-30 levers or shotguns for hunting.:(
Progressive and biologically sound deer management should be the rule of the day. All means should be employed to control deer numbers and make hunting available to all hunters. Medium range weapons like crossbows, compound bows, muzzleloaders and shotguns are used to kill deer effectively and safely in high hunter number areas.:cool:
The simpletons out there who think their way of hunting is the only way need to step down off their high horses and look at the big picture... I'm serious.:mad:
 
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I am agreed with BIGREDD about the compound bow technology. I can't see at all how it's less technological to use a compound bow with a trigger release, flip over arrow rest, red dot sight etc., but a crossbow is unfairly easy. The crossbow I have coming is patterned from the 14th century. I'm not sure I will hunt with that specific one because it's ornate. The point though is, bow hunting seasons are meant to give people with archaic technologies extra time. meanwhile their bows look like the space shuttle.
 
How is a crossbow "UNFAIRLY EASY"???
This is the type of flippant attitude and remark that starts the bull####.
A crossbow is no harder nor easier than any other type of bow it is just different.
You rarely get a second shot with a crossbow and if you think it is easy to #### one in a tree stand, or anywhere quickly, you are on glue.
I think that there are far more advantages to a compound bow over a crossbow and I have hunted and killed lots of game with both.
But that is only my opinion and I would never try and separate the two types of archery... or say that one was better or easier than the other... primitive weapons are a thing of the past.
 
If we as hunters can't agree or get along we are in trouble. Why is it a problem to some of us on what someone else uses as long as it is legal. Like BR said and I agree with him. What effect has the use of crossbow had on the deer population? Are some of us saying crossbows are more effective then vert bows. Then why is the deer season in eastern Ontario being extended for gun this fall? The only bows, arrows and broad heads allowed to be used in the bow season should be ones that are hand made by each hunter for his own use, that would help settle things.
 
that's what I said

How is a crossbow "UNFAIRLY EASY"???
This is the type of flippant attitude and remark that starts the bulls**t.
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Please re-read my post. I was saying I don't understand how people believe a crossbow is unfairly easy.
 
I have hunted with and harvested animals with a compound bow. I have shot but never hunted with, a total of half a dozen shots or so, with a crossbow and if I had to make a comment it would have to be that the basics of form are a bit more in depth with a compound or traditional bow than a crossbow. The crossbow takes the anchoring part of the equation and to some extent reduces it. It does not eliminate it, for one has to still shoulder the crossbow the same way every time or you will get the inconsistent group when form goes south same as a rifle, compound or traditional bow. Inconsistentcy in form is the enemy of the use of any weapon in hunting. The crossbow shooter still has to guesstimate the yardage or meterage with a fair degree of accuracy.

A properly tuned bow, reguardless of which you choose, is a joy to use but it takes a considerable amout of practice to achieve consistency in accuracy at unknown distances.

As far as hunting goes, the initial shot comands a fair amount of hand movement whether drawing the bow or shouldering a crossbow but the second shot if it presents itself, a compound has less hand movement then a crossbow, from what I have seen with my limited experience with a crossbow.
 
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Can you hunt geese in Ontarion at HW7 and Jane (near IKEA) in hunting season. There are many geese now, so I wonder if crossbow can be used later in the season.
 
Jebuz help me - ok, all of those who think that there should be a 'different' archery season for different types of bows - please stand in a line and drop yer drawers, because it'll make it easier for the sane hunters out there to give you a good butt-whuppin to smarten you up. (it'll also make it easier on the anti's who are out to screw you seeing as you're headed in that direction).

Do rifle people say there should be a single shot season, a semi-season, and a iron-sights only season? NO. And you know why not? It's STUPID.

An 'archery only' season exists to give bow hunters a little time to play in the woods without rifle hunters because ANY BOW - crossbow or otherwise - is a short range tool that relys on steath and animals not being spooked or shot at while they're lineing up on 'em.

Archery only areas exist because it's not safe to use a gun in them.

It is ASSININE to pick and prod at what TYPE of bow is used during those seasons or areas! No only does it have zero relevence when one considers WHY we have those seasons - it weakens your case for even having them to begin with!

Gawd - after almost losing our gun rights because 'pistol guys don't like rifle guys, and hunters don't like black guns' - you'd THINK the bow community would have learned a lesson or two about respecting each others choices and presenting a united front!

But no. Apperently not.

Just because YOU like one method more than another does NOT mean you should not support the other method AS MUCH as your own!

Get on the ball! Support each other and stick up for each other ALWAYS. Or someday the anti's will clobber YOU (i've seen a few pics floating around of deer with arrows in their head - the antis' WILL come for you some day). And don't come crying to us because you pissed away your opportunity to be a united community.

There's nothing worse than a hunter who thinks his method is 'special'.
 
Do rifle people say there should be a single shot season, a semi-season, and a iron-sights only season? NO. And you know why not? It's STUPID.
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So is it stupid to want a separate muzzleloading season?After all muzzle loaders and centerfires are aimed and fired in the same manner.Muzzleloaders can also be equipped with scopes and can be extremely accurate.Some can even be used with smokeless powder.And most shotguns have even less effective range than some muzzleloaders,yet must be used during the regular firearms season.In other words,muzzleloaders have much more in common with breachloaders than crossbows have with vertical bows.
 
So is it stupid to want a separate muzzleloading season?After all muzzle loaders and centerfires are aimed and fired in the same manner.Muzzleloaders can also be equipped with scopes and can be extremely accurate.
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It's a little stupid.

TRADITIONAL muzzleloaders have some limitations that are similar to bow, and it's CONCEIVABLE a seperate season may have some justification in some parts of the land. However - if you're just talking about a modern rifle you load from the muzzle .. it's a rifle. Use it in the rifle season like everyone else.

If what you're holding performs like a rifle, it's a frakkin rifle. Hey, by all means go ahead and use it, far be it from me to tell you what to hunt with, but what possible justification is there for a seperate season?
 
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