Buy your mags, pin em, scuff feed lips with emery cloth, through em in a bag with some dirt and shake well. Poke em under your seat, Know u have used mags left under your seat from your last trip to the range. Take your savings and buy a pile of ammo.
Crossing the border with Pinned magazines
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Gents,
It is currently illegal based on US laws to export mags without DoS approval. Although you might be able to import them into Canada based on customs approval, you can take them out of the states. You may not like it, you may think it is silly...but it is US law. You're breaking the law.
In accordance with CGN policy, the discussion is contray to the rules. I will however leave it up as it serves as information to fellow gun owners.
It is currently illegal based on US laws to export mags without DoS approval. Although you might be able to import them into Canada based on customs approval, you can take them out of the states. You may not like it, you may think it is silly...but it is US law. You're breaking the law.
In accordance with CGN policy, the discussion is contray to the rules. I will however leave it up as it serves as information to fellow gun owners.
Yeah, but the nice Homeland Security guy takes them seriously and can, and if provided the opportunity will, let you have the thrill of being locked up in a US Federal facility for breaching those UN Laws. (He probably doesn't like the UN either, for that matter neither do I - like has nothing to do with job, they are unrelated)
maybe so but canada HAS signed ITAR so you CAN be charged here IN canada for breaking ITAR rules......
guys its NOT worth it OBEY us laws
chances are your just going to get warned if you try it once with a small amount of stuff BUT why risk the full weight of the US gov???
fines into the millions are possible as are years in jail
no fly list anyone??
Guys I was just stating I don't like the laws and have no respect for ITAR or the UN. I also stated that I follow the US laws even if I don't agree with them. I never suggested to anyone that they break these laws or that I would break them myself.
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A licenced US exporter could export 6 $15 magazines if the magazines were not specifically controlled. If they were, the exporter would also need a specific export permit for those magazines.
Reread Morpheus32's post.
This is what is listed on Brownells:
International Sales - High capacity Magazines, which hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, are currently Restricted items that can ONLY be sold internationally to Military or Law Enforcement agencies. We will ask for Proof of end-user through the DSP-83 form.
This is from Triplebreakproducts:
An export license is required when:
Actions, Barreled Actions, Pistol Frames, Barrels, Barrel Liners, and Cylinders are ordered.
Your order contains Gun Parts valued over $100 U.S.
Other items that require a license are dummies (if rounds exceed 1,000) and speed loaders. These are considered to be ammunition accessories.
A Gun Part is: "Any item necessary to the operation of the weapon."
Examples of Gun Parts are: triggers, sear springs, hammers, safeties, magazines, sights, optics...
An export license is required when:
Actions, Barreled Actions, Pistol Frames, Barrels, Barrel Liners, and Cylinders are ordered.
Your order contains Gun Parts valued over $100 U.S.
Other items that require a license are dummies (if rounds exceed 1,000) and speed loaders. These are considered to be ammunition accessories.
A Gun Part is: "Any item necessary to the operation of the weapon."
Examples of Gun Parts are: triggers, sear springs, hammers, safeties, magazines, sights, optics...
Gents,
It is not a UN law...it is a US regulation from the department of state controlling the export of goods under the ITAR agreement. The US has a much more stringent interpretation of what can be exported...call it blanket rather than specific. So the UN discussion is false and irrelevent.
Second, as noted by a couple. There is not a blanket $100 exemption. The exporting organization has to be register with the DoS. If not they can not export any firearms parts or components.
Thirdly, exporting PMags without DoS is currently restricted and must be approved by the DoS. So the question, can you export PMags from the US...the answer is clearly NO...
Finally...as we have clearly identified that export PMags is illegal, any discussion of how to circumvent the regs to get them into Canada is contrary to CGN rules. From this point on infractions will be handed out.
Is that clear enough?
It is not a UN law...it is a US regulation from the department of state controlling the export of goods under the ITAR agreement. The US has a much more stringent interpretation of what can be exported...call it blanket rather than specific. So the UN discussion is false and irrelevent.
Second, as noted by a couple. There is not a blanket $100 exemption. The exporting organization has to be register with the DoS. If not they can not export any firearms parts or components.
Thirdly, exporting PMags without DoS is currently restricted and must be approved by the DoS. So the question, can you export PMags from the US...the answer is clearly NO...
Finally...as we have clearly identified that export PMags is illegal, any discussion of how to circumvent the regs to get them into Canada is contrary to CGN rules. From this point on infractions will be handed out.
Is that clear enough?
well that blows monkey balls.. I wanted a CTR or M93B stock. I guess I will have to pay the over inflated Canada import price. if anyone knows where to find a new one here for the real price of $125 in Tan, Dark Earth, Foliage green or OD. Then I'm game.
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Yes....and No.
My understanding in plain language (or as plain as you an get it)
You can export up to $100 US in 'gun parts' in one go EXCEPT items that the US government has declared ALWAYS need an export licence.
Mags, barrels, frames would always need an export licence.
Sears, hammers, springs would be parts and OK. Some AR type parts need a licence (collapsable stocks?) but I'm not too familiar with those. (So NO for AR mags).
Now you can find an exporter in the US (e.g. Brownells) who will take an order and do the nessary export paperwork. You would need to get the International Import Certificate form from the Canadain government (http://www.international.gc.ca/controls-controles/about-a_propos/impor/IIC.aspx) and ship that down with you order as the US folks need it to get the export permit.
Now the catch is that unless the US manufacturer has registered with the US government there will be no export permit granted. So a lot of smaller manufacturers have not done this so you can run into issues there.
Bottom line is if you want to do it it takes time - best thing to do is find a reputable supplier down in the US who is prepared to do the paperwork and work with them. Brownells will special order parts from their suppliers for you and get the export paperwork - contact their special orders department.
Alternatively contact a Canadian dealer who can get the parts from the US in their next shipment.
Either way don't look a the US prices and figure that you will be saving lots of money doing this - why not support the Canadian dealers and help them help us all by staying in business?
Problem is good luck finding a Canadian supplier who stocks the mags you need. I've talked to alot of shops vancouver to novascotia and they all have had ar mags on order for 6 mths to a year. I think its time to quit my day job and start producing stocks and mags this side of the border. If someone ever made these things in Canada they'd be a very busy, rich person.
