Crossman Vigilante Goop?

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Hey all,

I picked up a Crossman Vigilante CO2-powered pistol for some fun plinking and when I opened up the handle, where the CO2 cartridge is installed, I saw some yellow-ish "goop"?
I'm really new to what this might be so I thought I'd post it here and ask if anyone can explain to me what it is? I assumed potentially some type of lubricant?

Also, should I be putting some oil on the tip of each cartridge I install? Any recommendations?

Thank you!
 

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grauhanen said:
The goop looks like grease for the screw that pushes the CO2 cartridge into place. No oil is needed on the cartridge tip.
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Its grease to keep the thumb screw from rusting, and seizing.

You still need to put a drop of ND 30 W or Pelloil on the 12 gram cartage tip. Manual says every 200 ish pellets.


OP Crosman Pell oil, is just 30 W engine oil, you can pick up a quart for less than a tube of Crosman. MY father used 3 in 1 for decades, with his paintball guns. I used 30 W ND oil. Some use ATF...

MSDS for Crosman Pell Oil..
https://f.hubspotusercontent00.net/hubfs/8151552/msds/SDS-PELLGUNOIL.pdf
 
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I have two CO2 pistols now, different makes, and both recommend a drop of airgun oil on the tip of every gas cartridge, saying it will preserve the seals better. Again, I believe all airgun makers recommend the use of special oil for anything to do with the firing system because ordinary oil will diesel under the pressures involved and produce a higher velocity shot than the gun in rated for. When I was a kid I would have thought that was great, but the fact is a hypervelocity shot isn't going to be as accurate and in backyard conditions might behave in unsafe ways over what's expected. It will also give the gun's mechanism an unexpectedly hard slam and produce quite a loud 'bang', as I witnessed recently, and that's not going to be good for anything. There's also going to be burn residue if it happens a lot. For airguns, I've used two types of specially made oils over the years, Pelgunoil from Crosman and, currently, Gamo airgun oil. They won't burn and diesel and aren't expensive in the quantities used.
 
OkayShooter said:
Its grease to keep the thumb screw from rusting, and seizing.

You still need to put a drop of ND 30 W or Pelloil on the 12 gram cartage tip. Manual says every 200 ish pellets.


OP Crosman Pell oil, is just 30 W engine oil, you can pick up a quart for less than a tube of Crosman. MY father used 3 in 1 for decades, with his paintball guns. I used 30 W ND oil. Some use ATF...

MSDS for Crosman Pell Oil..
https://f.hubspotusercontent00.net/hubfs/8151552/msds/SDS-PELLGUNOIL.pdf
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Are you sure about the 30 W oil thing in ordinary airguns? No dieseling?
 
Modern airgun seals are made of materials like Nitrile and urethane which are engineered for use with petroleum oils
That's said there is a risk of dieseling.
You want to avoid using solvents/penetrating oils that will harm these O-rings.

Edit: Yes Co2 don't diesel...I was referring to springers...my bad.
 
grauhanen said:
C02 powered airguns don't diesel. Dieseling occurs when there is a fuel such as oil in the compression chamber of a spring piston rifle.
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Pity I don't have a video of that happening in the hands of an 8 year old shooting a Crosman CO2 pistol, but it did. It was thanks to a light oil intended for sewing machines, which is what I could get at the location.
 
Big Bad said:
Are you sure about the 30 W oil thing in ordinary airguns? No dieseling?
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Well considering if you look at the MSDS for Pelloil its just regular engine oil.

Monolec® GFS Engine Oil (8430-8450) Monolec GFS Engine Oil is a a straight-grade engine oil formulated for extended drain service, primarily in off-road diesel engines. It contains Monolec, LE’s exclusive wear-reducing additive, and is specified mostly for engines but is also sometimes used in industrial applications.
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There is no dieseling in C02 airguns. Dieseling refers to compressing, and the heat of the compression, is what ignites the oil vapors. Also you shoot a Co2 in warm temps, it freezes.

You'll also will read not to use it in Piston Driven airguns, that why there is chamber oil, which is normally just pure silicone. It has higher flash point.

Big Bad said:
Pity I don't have a video of that happening in the hands of an 8 year old shooting a Crosman CO2 pistol, but it did. It was thanks to a light oil intended for sewing machines, which is what I could get at the location.
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As someone that has an education in diesel engines. I cannot see a C02 airgun dieseling. As C02 is one of the suitable extinguishing methods of putting out a fire.
 
Big Bad said:
Pity I don't have a video of that happening in the hands of an 8 year old shooting a Crosman CO2 pistol, but it did. It was thanks to a light oil intended for sewing machines, which is what I could get at the location.
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There's a practical reason why you don't have such a video. There isn't one because C02 airguns don't diesel.
 
grauhanen said:
There's a practical reason why you don't have such a video. There isn't one because C02 airguns don't diesel.
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Welcome to my ignore list. It's jam packed with anuses.

Actually, it's because the family doesn't video tape the children for fear of feeding lustful pervs with stalking information.

As for the rest, well, it's like "I told Orville and I told Wilbur and I'm telling you now, no heavier than air flying machine will ever get off the ground!"
 
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Big Bad said:
Welcome to my ignore list. It's jam packed with anuses.

Actually, it's because the family doesn't video tape the children for fear of feeding lustful pervs with stalking information.

As for the rest, well, it's like "I told Orville and I told Wilbur and I'm telling you now, no heavier than air flying machine will ever get off the ground!"
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So someone tells you it doesn't happen, and you put him on ignore? But the so called ass, probably has way more experience in airguns than you. Hes on many airgun forums, as well been shooting decades. I'll say it again, many years of shooting airguns. I never experienced a co2 airgun dieseling. And I havent been skimping on the oil.
 
OkayShooter said:
So someone tells you it doesn't happen, and you put him on ignore? But the so called ass, probably has way more experience in airguns than you. Hes on many airgun forums, as well been shooting decades. I'll say it again, many years of shooting airguns. I never experienced a co2 airgun dieseling. And I havent been skimping on the oil.
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F###ing BB pistol incident and the f###ing @@@hole comes out and calls me a liar. People don't call me such things to my face, creeps, posers and cowards do here. Finito.
 
Big Bad said:
F###ing BB pistol incident and the f###ing @@@hole comes out and calls me a liar. People don't call me such things to my face, creeps, posers and cowards do here. Finito.
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Wow losing your temper, because you are being told you are wrong. Clearly you are not that educated on airguns. And it is not wrong to not be. Take this as en education.

You know Glenn is very educated on airguns. He shot them for decades before moving to rimfire firearms. Plus is a member of many airgun forums.

Google it, you will be incorrect. Go on gateway to airgun and talk to Bob, he build PCP airgun at high pressure over 3000 psi vs c02 800 normal. Even he said they don't diesel. So what happened, wasnt dieseling, or denotarion.

I'll say its physically impossible for a c02 airgun to diesel. Due to the gas is already compressed and the cooling nature of a quick burst of expelling gas.
 
Smoke and and a bang about as loud as a .22 short or long going off. According to you assembled experts it must have been something like a simultaneous but invisible lightning strike, or maybe aliens.
 
BB won't see this because I'm on his ignore list -- at least I hope I still am. For readers who will see this post, both compression and fuel are required for dieseling. That can happen in a springer when the air gets compressed by the piston. In CO2, the gas is compressed inside the cartridge. It doesn't get compressed inside the airgun and can't diesel. A single stroke pneumatic (SSP) air pistol compresses the air before firing and won't diesel either.
 
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Big Bad said:
Smoke and and a bang about as loud as a .22 short or long going off. According to you assembled experts it must have been something like a simultaneous but invisible lightning strike, or maybe aliens.
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Grow up and accept you are wrong. Being an ####### isn't helping it. 20 plus years of using airguns, many years primary on an airgun forum, never have I heard or seen a post about a c02 airgun dieseling. But you want to insult people, fine with me, but I'm done with your childish PMS ####. Sorry you had your corn flakes #### on, but your actions are uncalled for. If you freak out this bad for being told you are wrong. Turn in your firearms and check in for some mental help. Or Click the log out button, clearly you need a break off CGN.

Now nobody will ever believe you after your freak out, congrats.
 
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OkayShooter said:
Grow up and accept you are wrong. Being an ####### isn't helping it. 20 plus years of using airguns, many years primary on an airgun forum, never have I heard or seen a post about a c02 airgun dieseling. But you want to insult people, fine with me, but I'm done with your childish PMS ####. Sorry you had your corn flakes #### on, but your actions are uncalled for. If you freak out this bad for being told you are wrong. Turn in your firearms and check in for some mental help. Or Click the log out button, clearly you need a break off CGN.

Now nobody will ever believe you after your freak out, congrats.
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Well thanks for the benefit of the doubt, buddy.
 
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