CRPS Production Class Scopes...

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Looking to upgrade the Bushnell 10X I have on a T1X...

The more inexpensive options:

- Diamondback Tactical 4-16x
- Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x

Or for nearly 1.5-2x the money:

- Bushnell Match Pro 6-24x
- Vortex Venom 5-25x
- Athlon Helos BTR 4-20x

I have a pretty good understanding of the pros/cons for each from various reviews (except the Diamondback where everyone suggests buying a Viper or Strike Eagle instead, not helpful), but not really sure if there is a strong need for the more expensive class of scopes especially if I'm mainly just shooting ORPS at under 100yards. Zero interest in Arken or other offbrands. The Bushnell I have works well enough, but 10x at 25 yards is a bit much while 10x at 100 yards isnt quite enough and MOA turrets with a MILDOT reticle isn't ideal.
 
Man they've really bumped up how much you can spend on a scope for production since the early days! What happened to everyone running a Cabelas Covenant? lol
 
I REALLY like my Match Pro. Enough that I am likely getting the 34mm version for my Open gun.

You can put the Falcon Endura on that list. Not as good as the Match Pro in terms of mechanics but a decent scope. I bought one just before the 34mm Match Pro was announced.
 
The Match Pro is very good, and the Venom competes with it but I have no experience with it. The Athlon is *chef's kiss* though. I agree with the folks telling you to jump from a Diamondback Tactical to the Venom or a Strike Eagle if you can. The Viper PST GII is also good, Cabela's had them for Strike Eagle money a couple weeks back.
 
You need a 10 mil/turn elevation turret to make the math work simply. I like locking turrets. Buying specifically to stay in production class might end up being a stumbling block. Since winning gives you the equivalent of a challenge coin, you are better off getting the best optic you can afford. The Diamondback is dim, with mushy turrets that don’t lock. A 3-18 is better than 5-25 for almost everything except seeing holes in targets at distance.
 
Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 6-24X56 MIL... everything you need to compete in CRPS and do well. Glass is way better then the price suggests. This is a scope you will not likely outgrow.

This has quickly become my fave scope for the money and sits on more rifles then my next fave, Ares ETR (doesn't make production).

the 4-20 is a wonderful option but once you go to a 34mm tube, you will not want to go back to 30mm. However, if you do want to stay with a 30mm tube, this helos is fantastic.

Difference in price is small so I just recommend the move to 34mm and not need to upgrade anytime soon.

Jerry

PS there is no comparison between the Argos BTR G2 and the Helos G2... Save a little more, get the Helos.
 
I'm shooting ORPS distances too, so 100 metres max. Does the recommendation change if there's no need to reach out to CRPS distances? And especially when some of the targets are practically in my lap at 25 metres, something that doesn't have parallax issues gets to be a key requirement.
 
old303 said:
I'm shooting ORPS distances too, so 100 metres max. Does the recommendation change if there's no need to reach out to CRPS distances? And especially when some of the targets are practically in my lap at 25 metres, something that doesn't have parallax issues gets to be a key requirement.
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For me, the desireable features of a 34mm tube do not change whether short or long range... in fact, I like it so much, I no longer own any 30mm scopes.

But if you were to stay in 30mm, the Helos will still offer a desireable boost vs the Argos (which is not a bad scope at all). I think with the growing number of matches in rimfire and the fact that shooting rimfire far is such a hoot, having the ability to reach out future proofs your investment.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
For me, the desireable features of a 34mm tube do not change whether short or long range... in fact, I like it so much, I no longer own any 30mm scopes.
Jerry
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I'm curious what benefits you see with a 34 mm tube over a 30 aside from likely more W & E travel, and how that might benefit a short range shooter.

I hope you don't say better light gathering as I often hear from newbs, because that's not true.
 
The new Zeiss S3 scopes look perfect for precision rimfire.

Probably not in the Production Class budget, but Production Class seems like a silly category anyways that may die a slow death. Personally I wouldn't be concerned about trying to stay in that class, unless it's a personal budget thing.
 
kthomas said:
The new Zeiss S3 scopes look perfect for precision rimfire.

Probably not in the Production Class budget, but Production Class seems like a silly category anyways that may die a slow death. Personally I wouldn't be concerned about trying to stay in that class, unless it's a personal budget thing.
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Production class is for new participants and sand baggers.
 
As a newbie, open class doesn't interest me... nor does centerfire PRS although thats mainly due to nowhere to shoot 600+ yards.

I got into ORPS as more relevant practice for hunting as in the last 10 years, I've only made one shot laying on my belly with a bipod.... the rest were shooting off stumps, tree branches, or offhand. I got bit by the bug enough to invest in a better rifle (a T1x that matches my T3 hunting rig) and optic (ended up with a used Venom). At least for ORPS, I think most of the Open advantage are the heavy chassis guns. Is shooting sub-MOA an advantage, sure.... but most of the targets are 2moa or bigger. Now, should the optic budget be what it is in production? Probably not... but you'll piss off a lot of folks who bought what were production class scopes.

And, yes... the personal budget plays a big factor. I now have more invested in my T1X than hunting rigs.... but I will shoot the T1X probably 100x more than the hunting rifles. Good centerfire ammo isn't cheap... Now I kinda want to upgrade the glass on the big guns, but knowing how much abuse they both get... not so sure about that.
 
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