Crusader Arms Crypto

[Bfranklin]

The question is whether or not the RCMP, under the "evergreen" policy of this government, has the authority to make classifications.
Might be worth determining if this authority is legally binding.
Has anyone, an individual or firearms association, done this?

If I am not mistaken ATRS will find this out, eventually.

 

[ATRS Shaun]

The question is whether or not the RCMP, under the "evergreen" policy of this government, has the authority to make classifications.
Might be worth determining if this authority is legally binding.
Has anyone, an individual or firearms association, done this?

The CCFR et al. court case questioned the SFSS ability to classify firearms. I believe the judge's exact words were "the RCMP do not owe gun owners any procedural fairness in classifying a firearm". For better or worse, the appeal will determine what legal precedent stands forever more. That's actually a really big part of it, and they have fought tooth and nail to avoid having the FRT questioned.

Frt is opinion not law. Youre not going to get arrested for bringing your crypto or atrs to a range. Find me one article or police tweet of someone being arrested for shooting an OIC firearm letalone an frt. Only way is if you have some self policing, bootlicking goodytooshoes who rats you out.

That is bad advice.

I'm aware of at least one currently charged with possession of a prohibited firearm in Ontario/Quebec.
I can only imagine there are many that I am not aware of.

It seems like it depends a lot on where you are, but I think it also comes down to who you encounter.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure it's not law unless it's in the Criminal Code, Gazette, or Firearms Act.

FRT is not law, but they know that most people don't want to risk being taken to court, put on trial, etc. The process is the punishment.

You are 100 percent correct. On both parts.
And I've not heard good things about public defenders with regards to the complexity of the firearm bans.

So, silly question .. official websites are still not listing Crypto as prohibited - does that mean that we can still take it to the range and use it until it gets listed?
Speaking of getting Crypto officially on the prohibited list - when is the next round expected to happen?

The whole thing is that the crypto was never non-restricted, and I mean that in regards to the post-2020 environment. If it came out in 2019 I'm sure it would have been non-restricted. But they don't need a 'next round' to include it in, it was banned before it was ever built. I can't phrase this any better, so I'll just quote them. I was hoping to get a copy of the detailed inspection report, maybe learn a little about how the new rules can be worked around. Turns out that is a depressing endeavour, and truthfully federal policy changes is the only avenue right now.

Subject: RE: Inspection report request



Hello Shaun,



Although I cannot provide you with a copy of the Inspection Report, I am more than happy to provide further information regarding the Crusader Arms Crypto.



Following an inspection conducted by the Canadian Firearms Program, the Crusader Arms Crypto rifle, Firearms Reference Table (FRT) # 198806, was found to be a variant or modified version of the firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine that were prohibited in May of 2020 under PFR, Part 1, para. 87. These findings were first published in the FRT on April 4, 2025. Prior to this determination of classification, this firearm was not previously published in the FRT nor was there a commensurate determination of classification. Consequently, previous information from the manufacturer and some businesses regarding the alleged status of this firearm as non-restricted is incorrect and neither originated from nor was it based upon any data from the Firearms Reference Table.



This determination of classification is independent of whether or not the firearm in question meets the criteria set forth in the recently updated definition of a prohibited firearm under CC84(1)(e)(i)(ii)(iii); namely those that concern the design and manufacture of a semi-automatic firearm after a certain date that is not a handgun and that is designed to accept a detachable cartridge magazine with a capacity of six or more centre-fire cartridges. Simply put, a firearm that is already prohibited by design or by calibre is by default ineligible for consideration under this "evergreen clause".



As always, we recommend that Business Firearms License holders who wish to import into or manufacture such firearms in Canada that are not already published in the Firearms Reference Table (FRT) first contact our Firearm Technology Unit at *********** prior to importing or offering such firearms for sale to licensed individuals in Canada.



Kind regards,





*****************

Senior Firearms Technician / Technicien superieur des armes à feu

Firearms Technology Unit / Groupe de la Technologie des Armes à Feu

Specialized Firearms Support Services / Services spécialisés de soutien en matière d'armes à feu

Canadian Firearms Program / Programme canadien des armes à feu

Royal Canadian Mounted Police / Gendarmerie royale du Canada

I removed the email, name, and phone #.
I don't need someone who answers my questions politely getting shat on by the interweb.

 

[ATRS Shaun]

And with that email, it led to these questions. I'm the black text, unnamed Senior Firearms Technician is the blue text.

The last part regarding disposal; if I owned one, I would certainly not be doing a damn thing until after April 28th. I only included it in case anyone who owns one wants to contact Public Safety with questions about the amnesty order and if the crypto would qualify under the amnesty.

Did crusader arms or spectre ltd provide the rifle (or it appears multiple rifles) for the inspection or were these encountered by officers in the course of their duties? (Seized)



Prior to April 3rd, 2025 and the publication of the corresponding FRT record on April 4th, followed by its inclusion in the routine public release of the FRT on April 10th, no determination of classification was made on this firearm by the Canadian Firearms Program.



Do you know how many of these rifles were produced and sold in error?



Because these firearms were incorrectly marketed as “non-restricted” by the manufacturer and some firearms businesses, the Canadian Firearms Program did not gather any information regarding individual sales of the Crusader Arms Crypto firearms to businesses or individuals.



My last question is likely a difficult one to lend an opinion on, but would you be able to speak to what legal ramifications individuals in possession of a crypto may face? What ramifications businesses who sold cryptos could face? As I understand the may 2020 amnesty it would not apply to these.



The Crusader Arms Crypto rifle is prohibited in Canada. An individual in possession of this firearm can dispose of it using one of the following options:



• export the firearm

• return the firearm to the business

• surrender the firearm to the police of jurisdiction

• have the firearm deactivated by a business with the appropriate privileges on their Business Firearm License



Please contact Public Safety Canada with any questions about amnesty orders:

• by telephone for general enquiries at 1-800-830-3118

• by mail at 269 Laurier Avenue West, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 0P8

• through Public Safety Canada’s electronic form for public enquiries at publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/bt/cntct-frm-eng.aspx

 

[zer0day]

To someone who is not that experienced with the law, a statement above saying "The Crusader Arms Crypto rifle is prohibited in Canada. An individual in possession of this firearm can dispose of it using one of the following options:" to me at least, means that if I get pulled over with this thing in my trunk, on the way to the range, I might be in some serious trouble, correct? Police may lay charges of possession of a prohibited firearm .. not to mention a box of 200 rounds ready to be used at the range. - So .. to take it to the range or not?

 

[Grain]

To someone who is not that experienced with the law, a statement above saying "The Crusader Arms Crypto rifle is prohibited in Canada. An individual in possession of this firearm can dispose of it using one of the following options:" to me at least, means that if I get pulled over with this thing in my trunk, on the way to the range, I might be in some serious trouble, correct? Police may lay charges of possession of a prohibited firearm .. not to mention a box of 200 rounds ready to be used at the range. - So .. to take it to the range or not?

Not.

 

[scianna54]

The question is whether or not the RCMP, under the "evergreen" policy of this government, has the authority to make classifications.
Might be worth determining if this authority is legally binding.
Has anyone, an individual or firearms association, done this?

As of now they don't but many gun clubs enforce it. The new current prime minister wants to change it and give all authority to the RCMP, basically giving him the authority short handed.

You have to look at it like this:

The difference between democratic countries and third world shxt holes is that current laws will and can be enforced not only to the benefit of the government but also to protect the individual.

I travelled a lot and lived in several countries, one thing in less developed countries which always stood out is, yes there are laws, but they don't protect the individual, only the rich and powerful ones, because it takes big money to pay a lawyer and even more money to defend your rights, and it often takes forever.

We are at that stage in Canada now, you have to shell out big money for a lawyer and even bigger money to go to court, and it takes forever, which is almost impossible for the average Joe. Meaning, we are no longer living in a democratic country.

In case of the Crypto, a third year law student could take that case on and make a very good judgement. You don't need to be judge to make a decision following the law. There are many other situations where this would apply as well. But nobody wants that. They want to keep us minions in check and STFU.

 

[Gunnerlove]

Can we FOI the inspection report?

 

[MAXGORDON]

If you fight every battle, you'll be too worn out to fight the important ones.
Take a break every once and a while and laugh at the absurdities of life.

True Canadian man "just laugh about losing your rights" ridiculous!

If you fight every battle, you'll be too worn out to fight the important ones.
Take a break every once and a while and laugh at the absurdities of life.

 

[Leg]

Can we FOI the inspection report?

In Canada it’s called Access to Information and Privacy Request (ATIP), sure, why not? RCMP is notoriously slow at responding to them though.

 

[Gunnerlove]

I can confirm that the Mantis Blackbeard will never work in a Crypto. When you try to slide the receivers together the hammer and bolt catch get in the way.

Sadly it only works in ARs.