CSA VZ.61 Skorpion in .22LR rimfire

Deckard said:
I think it's reaching to 'turn' a CV into a prohibited pistol by removing the stock. The it has its own category. There are reasons (maintenance) why a stock would be removed. However, reaching is what the cops do most of the time. We know the Gun Digest intent of the ban was to prohibit the Scarab Skorpion. I don't think they envisioned the real ones being around.
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Maintaining a gun is one thing. Being caught out and about with one, with no stock is another. I'm saying I wouldn't want to make it a permanent modification.

I'm also saying it is the reason you can't import the US version that is stock less.
 
The US are marketed as pistols. These are already classified. There's no point removing the stock really. But a fixed stock exists. Removing the folder and installing that doesn't make it a pistol for two minutes. Again, we agree some cop with an axe to grind may disagree. However, 95% would assume it was banned on first sight anyways.
 
Deckard said:
The US are marketed as pistols. These are already classified. There's no point removing the stock really. But a fixed stock exists. Removing the folder and installing that doesn't make it a pistol for two minutes. Again, we agree some cop with an axe to grind may disagree. However, 95% would assume it was banned on first sight anyways.
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Here is what the RCMP say about the restricted commercial version of the vz61 that we enjoy in the frt, and why is is not prohibited...

- the firearm known as the Czech Small Arms, manufactured Sa VZ.61 Combat is a similar firearm to the Model referenced in PFR, Part 1, para 40. However, PFR, Part 1, para 40 refers to the "pistol" version of the Skorpion whereas the model in this record is the semi-automatic, commercial version (C/V) of the submachine gun (full automatic) Skorpion VZ. 61 and therefore should not be linked to PFR, Part 1, para 40.
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And here is what they say about the semi auto prohibited handgun versionade by csa, listed in the frt as such... a handgun.

0. The firearm of the design commonly known as the Skorpion Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
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Same gun, made by the same manufacturer, and both listed as semi auto. Except one has a stock (commercial version list as type) and the other doesn't (handgun listed as type).

Remove the stock as a permanent modification, rather than a disassembly, and you are altering your commercial version into a handgun.
 
Deckard said:
So what's the timeframe? Minutes before it gets spooky? Our version and the USA pistol are different in several ways, the stock dove tail being the most obvious.
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The minute you intend to make the modification permanent and follow through.

There are pistols that are manufactured as handguns, and there are other guns that are made into handguns. Same things as shotguns that are modified into shot barrels with pistol grips being classed restricted handguns. Simple disassembly of a shotgun doesn't make it a handgun, but intentionally modifying it into one does.
 
How would they determine intent? We are talking about the removal of furniture. No mod is made. If your advice is "don't remove the stock and go to the range" then okay.
 
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