CSAAA Bill C71 Discussion Q+A

Hellfrozeover said:
No. But the gunsmith has to record the firearm information and your information and keep it on file.
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I'd be surprised if that wasn't already some sort of standard practice. How else would you ever expect to get insurance coverage for your customers' property in the event of loss if you didn't have the pertinent info recorded?
 
Hellfrozeover said:
“ Q: When you apply for the transfer, I’ve heard that no additional information is required. I also heard that I would have to enter the make, model, serial number, and everything else.

A: We have been assured that there will be firearm information input into the non-restricted portion of the system.”


So…that’s confirmation that the firearm information WILL be stored centrally with the RCMP at the point of getting the transfer authorization number?
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CommonCents said:
Can someone double check the individual record keeping requirement?

It specifically says in the bill that record-keeping only applies to businesses.
Point 2 in the summery.

https://parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-71/royal-assent
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I think this q&a has a few things wrong with it. There is no firearms info to be inputted, nor record keeping requirements for individuals and Lending is NOT a transfer...
 
Scalpers love these changes. Now they can say their retail $1500 that they've been trying to sell for a $2000, is now worth $2500.... Retailers are also doing well. But really, if you look at what's done, it mostly making an online option for things. People had to call in before, now they can do online. Stores kept serial numbers before (every one that I've gone in physically) yaddah, blah. Nothing new. Heck, we've been asking for the ability to do stuff online, instead of waiting on hold with our CFO's.

Unfortunately, too many Canadian gun owners can't think through a topic and immediately go into rage mode every time they feel like something must be bad. It's the same group of people who said the forecast for our April blizzard was just government fear-mongering.... Nearly three feet of white, fluffy, wet, fear-mongering.

Everything the government does is a step towards the goal of disarmament, sure. But there's nothing in this particular step that really moves us closer. We should be relieved that this year just means we can go online, instead of calling things in.
 
Larzzral said:
Scalpers love these changes. Now they can say their retail $1500 that they've been trying to sell for a $2000, is now worth $2500.... Retailers are also doing well. But really, if you look at what's done, it mostly making an online option for things. People had to call in before, now they can do online. Stores kept serial numbers before (every one that I've gone in physically) yaddah, blah. Nothing new. Heck, we've been asking for the ability to do stuff online, instead of waiting on hold with our CFO's.

Unfortunately, too many Canadian gun owners can't think through a topic and immediately go into rage mode every time they feel like something must be bad. It's the same group of people who said the forecast for our April blizzard was just government fear-mongering.... Nearly three feet of white, fluffy, wet, fear-mongering.

Everything the government does is a step towards the goal of disarmament, sure. But there's nothing in this particular step that really moves us closer. We should be relieved that this year just means we can go online, instead of calling things in.
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the only thing you will be (likely) able to do online is to check the validity PAL of of someone you want to sell (an) NR(s) to ,,, what you didn't have to do before at all ..
nothing else, not a transfer of an R, not for ATTs ... zilch ...
 
Larzzral said:
Scalpers love these changes. Now they can say their retail $1500 that they've been trying to sell for a $2000, is now worth $2500.... Retailers are also doing well. But really, if you look at what's done, it mostly making an online option for things. People had to call in before, now they can do online. Stores kept serial numbers before (every one that I've gone in physically) yaddah, blah. Nothing new. Heck, we've been asking for the ability to do stuff online, instead of waiting on hold with our CFO's.

Unfortunately, too many Canadian gun owners can't think through a topic and immediately go into rage mode every time they feel like something must be bad. It's the same group of people who said the forecast for our April blizzard was just government fear-mongering.... Nearly three feet of white, fluffy, wet, fear-mongering.

Everything the government does is a step towards the goal of disarmament, sure. But there's nothing in this particular step that really moves us closer. We should be relieved that this year just means we can go online, instead of calling things in.
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You won't be as cheery about these new rules when I see a .jpg copy of your drivers licence and PAL for sale on the Darknet along with thousands of others.
 
Karnage said:
You won't be as cheery about these new rules when I see a .jpg copy of your drivers licence and PAL for sale on the Darknet along with thousands of others.
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I expect this to hurt businesses the most. For private sales we can have a zoom call for you to verify my face matches the picture on my PAL, then you take the required info and get a reference number. I can't imagine any businesses will be taking the time to have zoom calls with potential customers, which means the only way to buy from them is to send them your PAL and DL, and email is simply not secure enough for me to do that.

Maybe businesses will develop more secure portals for uploading these pictures, but even if that happens I suspect a LOT of people won't be willing to do it because even if the system is as secure as can be you've still got the potential for a store-level employee to steal your pictures.

And that doesn't even factor in all the people who will refuse to buy new guns as long as businesses need to keep records of who they sell what to.
 
Larzzral said:
Scalpers love these changes. Now they can say their retail $1500 that they've been trying to sell for a $2000, is now worth $2500.... Retailers are also doing well. But really, if you look at what's done, it mostly making an online option for things. People had to call in before, now they can do online. Stores kept serial numbers before (every one that I've gone in physically) yaddah, blah. Nothing new. Heck, we've been asking for the ability to do stuff online, instead of waiting on hold with our CFO's.

Unfortunately, too many Canadian gun owners can't think through a topic and immediately go into rage mode every time they feel like something must be bad. It's the same group of people who said the forecast for our April blizzard was just government fear-mongering.... Nearly three feet of white, fluffy, wet, fear-mongering.

Everything the government does is a step towards the goal of disarmament, sure. But there's nothing in this particular step that really moves us closer. We should be relieved that this year just means we can go online, instead of calling things in.
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you got it exactly,a LOT of these answers are completely wrong,and some of the biggest sellers in the EE were the first ones to start fear mongering to sell their stuff,most unfortunately of all,the WORST fear mongering was done by one of our own national firearms association,THAT is the worst part,that same group is ALWAYS the one to push fear mongering to the extreme,sad,but true,
 
Suther said:
I expect this to hurt businesses the most. For private sales we can have a zoom call for you to verify my face matches the picture on my PAL, then you take the required info and get a reference number. I can't imagine any businesses will be taking the time to have zoom calls with potential customers, which means the only way to buy from them is to send them your PAL and DL, and email is simply not secure enough for me to do that.

Maybe businesses will develop more secure portals for uploading these pictures, but even if that happens I suspect a LOT of people won't be willing to do it because even if the system is as secure as can be you've still got the potential for a store-level employee to steal your pictures.

And that doesn't even factor in all the people who will refuse to buy new guns as long as businesses need to keep records of who they sell what to.
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I must have mis-read somewhere, I thought for business it MUST be a picture/fax/scan of PAL + ID, so no zoom call for business ?
It is not that hard for a business to have a phone with Whatsapp/Telegram/Skype, and a call need not be that long,just confirm order number, look at the PAL + ID, check the face match the person in the call etc etc
If video call is allow, then there is still hope for online business, if not, then I think online ordering of firearms is dead.
 
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Licence Verification for Non-Restricted Firearms Transfer New

This section allows you to perform the licence verification check required by Section 23 of the Firearms Act; the Firearms Licences Regulations; and the Conditions of Transferring Firearms and Other Weapons Regulations as part of the transfer of one or more Non-Restricted firearms. Click the button below to verify the validity of the firearm licence of an individual or business to whom you wish to transfer a non-restricted firearm.


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