Curent CF issue pistol
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redleg said:
Don't know that the handguns are the issue. Now, if they got some decent mags, preferably stainless......
If they do replace them I sure hope they don't crush them all, (of course they will
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OK, I have a question about the Inglis HP.
I am aware that besides CF (or Royal Can. Army back then), we also made guns for Nationalist China.
Who else used Inglis HP besides Canada and China?
The reason I ask, is because I have an Inglis, and I cannot find any C-broadarrow marks on it. It is in the 7T range of serial #.
I got it from Southern Ohio Gunworks many years ago
In fact, I had it out today, at our Newbie shoot!
I am aware that besides CF (or Royal Can. Army back then), we also made guns for Nationalist China.
Who else used Inglis HP besides Canada and China?
The reason I ask, is because I have an Inglis, and I cannot find any C-broadarrow marks on it. It is in the 7T range of serial #.
I got it from Southern Ohio Gunworks many years ago
In fact, I had it out today, at our Newbie shoot!
Cocked&Locked
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Matt_S said:Way ahead of ya
LOL, perfect! Heck, I'd even take one of those in pink!
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esquif said:
Np, I haven't shot the sig, but it's not really that differnt from most smith auto's. Not sure that DA is a huge advantage, or the few extra rounds over the 13 the HP has, but better to have more than you need, than not enough, thats for sure. I'm not sure how much more accurate the sig would be if you compared new to new, the HP is an accurate design, just get the goverment to replace the old timers in service with some of the new in grease babies still stored away. The DA action is more idiot friendly than SA, lowering training/familiarization time, can't argue there. I just can't see spending the tax money on handguns when there are perfectly serviceable ones in stores, and there is much more vital kit we need. IMHO, for what that's worth, I'm not over there
The United Kingdom was the main other user during WWII. According to Clive Law's research, out of total production well in excess of 150,000 pistols, Canada retained 59,128 with 43,758 going to China and 48,721 to Britain. Fairly significant numbers of pistols (mainly from Canadian stock) ended up going to the following nations (mostly post-war): Australia, Belgium (yes, the home of Fn was supplied with 1578 Inglis pistols in 1950), The Netherlands, New Zealand, and (in smaller quantities) to Brazil, Denmark, Greece, India, Malaysia, Mexico and Peru.tootall said:
The C-Broadarrow mark was even placed on the Chinese-contract pistols, but can be difficult to see because it is fairly small and was stamped (often lightly or only partially) on the frame before it was parkerized ... The standard position is the right side of the frame, below the bottom edge of the slide and behind the broad rivet or pin holding the receiver stop in the frame, which is ground flush with the frame surface but usually quite noticeable since the parkerization on it tends to be a different shade (presumably due to metallurgic differences ...)
I agree - and I say that as one of many who have carried one in harm's way. I am somewhat confused about what the bleating is all about concerning junker pistols and unreliable magazines.Cocked&Locked said:
There are junker HP's in the CF and there are magazines that don't feed reliably. However, the solution is (or at least in my time) reasonably simple: firearm does not perform reliably/magazine does not feed reliably? Go see the gun plumbers.
I never heard of an instance where the weapons techs refused to make sure a weapon or it's replacement functioned reliably when an unreliable/malfunctioning weapon was brought to their attention. I never heard of an instance where the weapons techs wouldn't do exactly the same thing regarding magazines. So ultimately - unless you didn't do anything other than #####, snivel, whine, and moan that you didn't get the cool SIGs - you ended up with a reliable pistol and reliable magazines. Which is what it's all about.
Now, maybe only the weapons techs where I served did their jobs properly and every other weapons tech and unit in the Canadian Forces were incompetent and/or wouldn't do their jobs. But I doubt it; I suspect they will all deal with unreliable weapons and magazines - as long as they're brought to their attention, that is. None of us had pistols or magazines that were unreliable by the time we deployed to Yugo; the gun plumbers had any problems brought to their attention sorted out long before that. And I know that as a fact because as a weapons det commander, all my guys were issued pistols, and I checked all weapons for reliability and zero on the range before we deployed (as did every other section commander).
We even did what is apparently really crazy, scary s**t (I'm told) - we carried our pistols with one up the spout, cocked, and safety on. I guess if that's scary, I should have been terrified every time we left the compound and I found myself surrounded by my section with rounds up the spout of their rifles and safeties on.
If a soldier/cop can't figure out and be trusted with a safety on a handgun, I don't know why he'll be any safer when you exchange the handgun for a rifle with a safety...
As a gun plumber I can say the only two problems that cause jams are worn or dirty extractors and the older style mags.
New blued mags from FN are in the system and are much better the old grey ones.
Three things I would like to see on the browning is better sights, rubber grips and a ext. slide catch.
New blued mags from FN are in the system and are much better the old grey ones.
Three things I would like to see on the browning is better sights, rubber grips and a ext. slide catch.
Just to clarify all the pissing and moaning about CF troops apparently compelled to go forth with unreliable pistols and magazines...Dsiwy said:
... in respect to complaints about unreliable weapons/magazines, do you or your fellow weapons techs ever refuse to ensure that those complaints are resolved to the complete satisfaction of the soldier who brings the problem to your attention?
I suspect the answer is "never", but I'd prefer to hear it from you.
If theres a problem with your weapon we are more then happy to fix it.
I have NEVER turned someone away for even the smallest problem.
Now the older mags we do measure the lips to insure they meet the proper specs. But I do find the Browning WWII mag lips open up faster then other brands.
now that Extractor problem we do measure them as well
I am not saying we dont do our jobs or that the troops get bad weapons am just pointing out the weak areas of the weapon.
I have NEVER turned someone away for even the smallest problem.
Now the older mags we do measure the lips to insure they meet the proper specs. But I do find the Browning WWII mag lips open up faster then other brands.
now that Extractor problem we do measure them as well
I am not saying we dont do our jobs or that the troops get bad weapons am just pointing out the weak areas of the weapon.
Rick said:
Funny, I always assumed we were stating facts, but if it just #####ing then please ignore us.
However, I was often issued pistols that did not work reliably. In fact once when the CF deployed a shooting team to Australia, not one of the pistols issued was able to complete the course of fire without at least one stoppage. I agree that competent armorers could have rectified the situation, however, it is also a valid point that many of the pistols in service are old, worn and unreliable. Your experiences not withstanding.
Furthermore, while I don't feel sqeemish about carrying a pistol cocked and locked, if you are suggesting that the Inglis is as easy to deploy given the position and size of the safety, then I must seriously question your experiences. The SIG for one is much easier to deploy, and to carry safely.
Yes I know, all we are doing is #####ing...
Well I remember as the QM getting guys #####ing their pistol jammed, I asked did they report it?- no was the answer, or one of their mags was crappy, did you mark it? - nope they threw it back into the bin with the good ones. I found one of the barrels of a HP was bulged by firing a round after a squib load that had been cleaned and turned after a range exercise.
Half the problem was stupid people, the other half was stupid pistol training.
Half the problem was stupid people, the other half was stupid pistol training.
