Curious anonomoly

Out with the old in with the new... If I wanted to stick with the same old same old I would have stayed married and I'd still be driving my 64 Rambler.
You guys that wanna bash all the new technology and the latest calibers either can't afford it... your old lady won't let you have it... just too cheap to part with your money... or are just too stupid to understand it.
A true gunnut will shoot them all and buy as many as he can... sell them and buy some more.
The wannabes sit at home with there pitifull little gun collections and bemoan all the new stuff cuz they just don't get it or they just can't have it... poor bastards.
 
BIGREDD said:
You guys that wanna bash all the new technology and the latest calibers either can't afford it... your old lady won't let you have it... just too cheap to part with your money... or are just too stupid to understand it
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YEA! ..... :rolleyes: LOL :rolleyes:




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''or are just too stupid to understand it''-or,on the other hand are trying to make up for lack of hunting skills by thinking a new whiz bang 1000 yard mortar will result in filling your tag.....funny enough ,the resurgance of older calibers or modern copies are making a comeback.The old guys I knew accounted for a heck of a lot of game with bubba'd military rifles,or rifles built on them.But-having said that, sure I'd like one of the new short magnums too,although these new soft tip spitzer bullets for tube magazine rifles look like they are going to expand the capabilities of 30/30 and 444's too.
 
I could care less about marketing, 'tradition', 'nostolgia' what grandpa or the ol boys used, or new gimmicks that don't work.

Grandpa used his bubba'd Enfield or O' Bessy 30-06 because that is what he had or could afford, or coudl get, for that matter . Just like us, he picked up Outdoor Life and drooled at the 300 Weatherbys that he coudlnt' afford, but woud have bougth if he had the $$.

We have more money and guns available, and we can choose whatever we want.

He used 220 gr bullets in his .303 because heavy cup and core bulets penetrated better on moose, but we have x bullets that do the same in a ligther weight.

I buy guns and cartridges based on what interests me. I have brand new super whizzum cartridges and I have 100 year old cartridges. I buy guns that are stainless and sythetic because I liek the looks of them, but more importantly, I think they are a better mousetrap, for my purposes.

ALot of new products and gear are crap, but alot of them are great, too. I hear people scoffing at new gear because "the old guys didn't need it" but the truth is, those guys probaby woud have LOVED to have the gear we do nowdays.

Imagine how much grandpa woudl have loved to have clothes that keep you dry and warm without sweating you up too bad, scopes that don't fog up, bullets that hold together when hitting bone, rifles that don't need as much care in the field, or even a bloody Bic lighter!!:p

The "old" ways are not necesarily the best ways. Just old...;)
 
All of you make good point reliability, availability, cost, efficiency but don't for get time. Times change people change the only bad part about that is the biggest majority of the people when they change they forget. They forget what worked and what was good, they get to thinking something is better.

If you are a real gun nut you probaly own at least ten some of us way more, but you always seem to have the old fave that goes hunting with you. Sure if you are a hunter shooter collector it is super cool that you have shot something with everything you own. Possible and Practicle well here comes time again. It can happen and will happen that you will get to register with each of your firearms but that will take time.
So for now buy collect and shoot paper. Hate the ones you hate like the ones you like and be sceptical that is what makes this board what it is.
That is how I see it.
Had two follow me home from sundre Farmingdale Sharps in 45-100 and 30-30 well it is 105 year old Winchester with the prettiest 26" Hex barrel I have seen.
Just had to have them.
Ken
 
i would love to have one of the fancy new rifles on the market and a new fincier scope to go with it but unlike some of you guys my budget is stretched thin as it is so for now my reliable bubba'd enfield will do for hunting
maybe later on when i can get my business started and get some of that extra money i keep hearing about comeing in then i will try out something new and fancy LOL
 
BIGREDD said:
You guys that wanna bash all the new technology and the latest calibers either can't afford it... your old lady won't let you have it... just too cheap to part with your money... or are just too stupid to understand it.
A true gunnut will shoot them all and buy as many as he can... sell them and buy some more.
The wannabes sit at home with there pitifull little gun collections and bemoan all the new stuff cuz they just don't get it or they just can't have it... poor bastards.
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whatever Bighead. probably one of the most arogant things you've ever said. sorry if some of us retards don't see the point of packing a machinegun into the bush. the cost of this cheap poor bastard's dive gear would most likely eat your gun collection alive, guess that makes me still a wannbe "poor bastard" to cheap gunnut, because I choose to keep a small usefull, antiquated collection. :rolleyes:
 
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I'm with Gatehouse and Biggred on this one--if you're happy with antiquated gear, then godblesha. But please keep your trolling about it to yourself.

Going way back to the .30-30, the history of cartridges and shooting/hunting gear is all about innovation and performance eventually kicking the tar out of naysayers and grognards. Remember that back in its day, the sedate .30-30 was considered as wild and irresponsible a choice for deer as the .220 Swift is today.

The stuff we've got now is incredible--rangefinders and super-premium bullets and GPS devices and gore-tex scent-lok jackets--but don't take my word for it, look at where the market is going. Marketing only gets people in the door, it doesn't make them LOVE these products, or tell their friends about them, or buy them again and again.

Not every product or cartridge is necessary, but for many of them--look at stainless/synthetic rifles that are totally impervious to weather, or bonded core bullets that always expand perfectly at hunting velocities--the demand is 'real', and will continue to grow. That's just the simple reality, and you can either kvetch about it or get on board.
 
Speaking of calibers only ................

The fact of the matter is that the most game is shot at less than 200yds and the VAST majority of that under 100yds.

What difference does it make if I use my 257Roberts instead of a 257WSM or my 300H&H instead of a 300RUM......... This IS marketing hype!!





On the other hand .......... advances in optics, stock materials, bullets, powders, gun manufacturing, clothing , boots, vehicles have made a REAL, positive impact on out sport, and while marketing does have a part in selling this stuff, we all have benefited from it's use.


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I have no quarrel with new ideas,new equipment,new technology or innovation,and indeed the market place will sort out[as it always does] what offers real value and what doesn't.Maybe what sparked all this was reading yet another magazine article on the latest whiz-bang[and I ALWAYS read and enjoy them]But -I got to thinking-are we becoming influenced more by corporate marketing which is designed to make us reach for our wallets rather than what offers value,or real innovation?That said-its hard not argue that synthetic stocks, scopes and stainless barrels do offer a practical advantage over plain wood,open sights and blued metal.
But have we also given something up in the quest for technology?-I'm thinking of the many happy hours I spent shooting gophers with an open sight single shot cooey, or later deer hunting with my open sight 303?Are we making hunting more of a rich man's sport than emphacising the pure joy of just being out in the woods that any kid can do.Matter of fact-when WAS the last time we took a kid hunting?
 
SuperCub said:

What difference does it make if I use my 257Roberts instead of a 257WSM or my 300H&H instead of a 300RUM......... This IS marketing hype!!

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Why is it that all of a sudden a .300 WSM is the minimum cartridge for deer? It is all about the marketing! Don't fall prey to the marketing hype!
 
SuperCub said:
Speaking of calibers only ................

The fact of the matter is that the most game is shot at less than 200yds and the VAST majority of that under 100yds.

What difference does it make if I use my 257Roberts instead of a 257WSM or my 300H&H instead of a 300RUM......... This IS marketing hype!!

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So many of you guys are up in arms about what you term 'marketing hype':rolleyes:

Liek it or not, you can't have the advances in the other stuff (optics, bullets, firearms components etc) without someone playing around with cartridges, too. Wildcatters have been messing with cartridges for years, and there are lots of guys here that shoot them, as well as AI cartridges...Should we lump the AI cartridges in there with the hype, since most game is taken under 200 yards and they only get small increases in performance?

Here is why new cartridges area good thing: Some offer some adantages to the reloader (sharper shoulders that can increase case life) Some offer extra horsepower for those that know how to use it. They often sell more rifles, so that we have more guns out there, which is a good thing for the firearms business. Most importantly- They are different, and different people want different things. They offer a choice, and what is wrong with having more choices?

FOr instance, in the example above, I woudl prefer a 257 Roberts over a 257WSSM, and I woudl prefer the 300RUM over the 300H&H. I would prefer the 300WM or 300WSM or 30-06 over both the RUM or H&H.

Why woudl I make these choices? Simple, it is what *my* needs dictate, and what *I* prefer. How is that for 'falling for marketing hype?":rolleyes:


It's only hype if you buy a cartridge based on what you are told without examining your real needs/desires first, and that is not the fault of anyone but yourself.
 
The sad part isn't the latest greatest whizz bang anything. It's the fact that magazines and the internet is where time and experience is garnered.

If more shooters actually shot their stuff, practised at distance, and walked around in the great outdoors, marketing wouldn't play such an important role.

Marketing would become fact and benefit based, not splashy and over the top.

Unfortunately, the urban, so called fast paced life means the average NA hunter spends so little time using his gear, he has no practical knowlege of what that gear will do.

The result, he/she depends on the info gurus to solve the problems. "Buy this and you will become the invicible hunter/shooter"

Have no shooting skill which caused a gut shot on a 75yds broadside deer, get a bigger cannon because 'blah, blah, blah' solves everything.

I love all the new and old stuff and play with just about every possible facet of this sport. I enjoy moving technology from one era to another making all better then alone.

But then I enjoy spending time with firearms and shooting. Most like the concept but put little effort in the practise.

Marketing always sways those who have little personal knowledge. Doesn't matter what part of life you review. Not bad at all as it makes the world go round.

Just think about your yearning for a 338Lapua when a 338RUM is inadequate. How much to you really know????

Jerry
 
it's an ill wind that blows no good-and one advantage of guys becoming disatisfied with their perfectly good rifles is they sell them-making for some nice bargains for other guys who recognise value-so thats one positive spin off benefit of guys wanting to have the the latest stuff
 
Thank goodness for marketing hype.


or we would be posting on canadianthirty-thirtynutz.com:p

I can just see the threads now:

*30-30 vs spear.Which is better?*

*30-30WSM-Marketing hype?*

*30-30 and Vihtavori-a whole new level of performance.*

*WTFs a reamer?*

*30-30 KAPOOF! What went wrong?

*Rumors of a new shellplate from Dillon"


:D :D :D :D
 
Originally Posted by BIGREDD
You guys that wanna bash all the new technology and the latest calibers either can't afford it... your old lady won't let you have it... just too cheap to part with your money... or are just too stupid to understand it.
A true gunnut will shoot them all and buy as many as he can... sell them and buy some more.
The wannabes sit at home with there pitifull little gun collections and bemoan all the new stuff cuz they just don't get it or they just can't have it... poor bastards
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.......................One day you will wake up and realize the over redundancy in todays firearms/calibers market. But then you sound like the type of fella that would get a woody waiting by the mail box for the latest "Guns and Ammo" because you just haven't figured it out in the last 25 years.

.......................Thank you for schooling us all as to what a "True Gunnut" is. Bigredd has spoken!!!!:D Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!:D
 
I got three with one cast... what a school of carp....:p
Did you clowns even read the post... I did not cut up anyones choice of old or new firearms... only the rediculous attitude of dismissing the new!:mad:
Although my remark was strictly meant to illicit a foolish response from those it describes... it still amazes me when the same victims bite!:rolleyes:
I guess it was a little too close to the truth for some....:(
 
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