current issue RCMP pistol

Satain said:
If I had an RCMP issue "hand gun" I would use it for a paper weight or a substitute for the brick I use to keep the crow's from getting in my garbage can and making a mess. The trigger pull on the S&W is 100% double trigger all the time and it's an awful big pull. This heap of crap weigh's a ton and the grip well lets just say a five year old could make a better one out of silly puddy! There is only two thing's about the RCMP service sidearm that were any interest to me after my constable friend allowed me to try it at the range.
  1. The mag's hold 16 witch is much better than the ### 10 that we as civilians get to deal with.
  2. It's in 9mm so I could replace what I shot from my girlfriend stash of ammo and swear to myself that I would rather get a
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    then to ever use that disgrace of a sidearm again in my life.
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LMFAO I busted out laughing when I read this HAHAHAHHA!!!!
 
Steve David,

Your statement reminds me of the survey by US Forces to see if they were satisfied with Colt M4's. The majority replied that they were, but the majority had never used or been issued anything else, so they had nothing to compare.

Soon,

RCMP ERT with have Sig's again, P226 DAK's.

Rich
 
Rich LPS said:
Steve David,

Your statement reminds me of the survey by US Forces to see if they were satisfied with Colt M4's. The majority replied that they were, but the majority had never used or been issued anything else, so they had nothing to compare.

Soon,

RCMP ERT with have Sig's again, P226 DAK's.

Rich
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All I said was a very experienced tactical/firearms person says it works for him and he has a vast knowledge of far more then just the S&W. And as I also said, it is not his favorite gun, but it worked when he needed it to.
 
Mine is Black :)

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It's funny how these threads come up every so often, when a search would provide the answers....
What's even funnier is some of the 'answers' that are provided. lol


parksfox said:
Smith & Wesson Model 3946 which is smaller for either small hands or concealment. No Glocks. Other specialized Members carry Sigs but again, those are for specialized units.
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It's the 3953.
And no, there aren't many Sigs out there any more. They haven't been issued for quite a few years, and most(but not all) of the old ones out in the field have been replaced by 5946s similar to the one in Mark's post. They're used by ERT and some PDS members.


lineofsight said:
The S&W has an interesting setup as cannot release slide with right thumb (release positioned very far forward), no safety, and double action only though the pull is smooth and releases fairly early in travel compared to DA/SA I've shot. Like David K said, blackened sights, no hammer spur.
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Yes, you certainly can release the slide with your thumb. Not sure what your thumbs look like, but anyone with a somewhat normal hand can do it.
And I have to disagree with your comment about a fairly smooth and early release.....


BlackWatch said:
Maybe this mountie has been allowed to carry something else.
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Not a chance. If the member is rcmp, then they carry the 5946 or the 3953.


Satain said:
Sorry that's just my point of view on that disgrace to the "hand gun" world the S&W 4906 jam o matic!
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The gun in the picture is a 3953. And we don't use the 4906.
I've used the 5946 for over 11 years, and it's an excellent general duty/patrol gun. It's very reliable, and very accurate. My best 5 shot group at 25m is under 1.5", with 3 rounds touching, from a standing, supported position. The main malfunctions I've had have been extractor related, and my guns had well over 10k rounds through them before the extractors became an issue.


Rich LPS said:
Soon,

RCMP ERT with have Sig's again, P226 DAK's.

Rich
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Rich, I got to see some of the testing between the 'new' 5946 and the 226. The outcome wasn't what I had expected.... The 226 was unofficially approved, but that was almost 2 years ago. I haven't seen or heard much movement on it since.


Questar said:
Mine is Black :)
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Mine are too, but They belong to the Queen...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Damn you Mark. :p

If you ever want to sell it, let me know. I have a good source for mags. ;) lol
 
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The S&W duty pistols are a POS and an embarassment that our national police force are saddled with it. I would estimate the DAO trigger pull to be around 12 lbs and very long both in pull and reset. Good news is that eventually S&W is going to quit supplying parts for the gun and the Gov't will have to issue another pistol. For the money it takes to keep the pistols running they could outfit the force with new Glocks.M&P's and be money ahead.

The ERT teams are supposed to be getting Sigs but nothing yet.

Sorry for the rant but compared to other pieces of kit the ERT boys have the pistol they presently have is truly a joke.

Take Care

Bob
 
Satain said:
If I had an RCMP issue "hand gun" I would use it for a paper weight or a substitute for the brick I use to keep the crow's from getting in my garbage can and making a mess. The trigger pull on the S&W is 100% double trigger all the time and it's an awful big pull. This heap of crap weigh's a ton and the grip well lets just say a five year old could make a better one out of silly puddy! There is only two thing's about the RCMP service sidearm that were any interest to me after my constable friend allowed me to try it at the range.
  1. The mag's hold 16 witch is much better than the ### 10 that we as civilians get to deal with.
  2. It's in 9mm so I could replace what I shot from my girlfriend stash of ammo and swear to myself that I would rather get a
    :kickInTheNuts:
    then to ever use that disgrace of a sidearm again in my life.
Seriously if the bonehead that is in charge of issuing the RCMP ever read's this you really disserve a huge
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For the dis-service that you are doing to our constables's in using this crap! I told my constable friend that if he wanted any of my sidearms to protect his life don't even ask just take them and throw that heap of crap of the first bridge that he come's across. I don't belive what we get away giving our RCMP to protect there & our lives with. We should be ashamed. Sorry that's just my point of view on that disgrace to the "hand gun" world the S&W 4906 jam o matic!
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I'm thinking operator error. There are members who can do amazing things with those pistols, watch a few PPC duty pistol matches.
 
It is funny reading some of these posts, I got to try a couple of RCMP issue Smiths and I was surprised how smooth the DAO trigger pull was on both of them. I am sure that some of the posters here have never shot a revolver or any other double action pistol because they were both as good as a tuned revolver, which is not a bad thing when DAO is mandated by the Government. As usual the Euro gun lovers who have probably never even handled a S&W pistol have to throw their 2 cents worth in too.:rolleyes:
 
Wow, there's quite a few un-educated answers on this thread! Thanks WP for correcting some of those.
 
wicked_police said:
Yes, you certainly can release the slide with your thumb. Not sure what your thumbs look like, but anyone with a somewhat normal hand can do it.
And I have to disagree with your comment about a fairly smooth and early release.....
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Size XL gloves and still 1/3" shy of reaching, could reach only by changing grip and not from shooting grip. However, no problem reaching with supporting hand and not an issue when work slide rather than release.

Can disagree all you like about fairly smooth and early release, guess its all matter of experience

Silverback said:
It is funny reading some of these posts, I got to try a couple of RCMP issue Smiths and I was surprised how smooth the DAO trigger pull was on both of them. I am sure that some of the posters here have never shot a revolver or any other double action pistol because they were both as good as a tuned revolver, which is not a bad thing when DAO is mandated by the Government. As usual the Euro gun lovers who have probably never even handled a S&W pistol have to throw their 2 cents worth in too.:rolleyes:
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Found the same, quite reasonable to shoot - last night shot it better than my own DA/SA. May also be that some are improved through more frequent range trips or through a little work. The no safety is also a carryover from revolvers.
 
Silverback - If you are referencing my post you couldn't be further from the truth. None of the RCMP duty pistols i have shot have triggers that come close to comparing to a S&W revolver and I have shot a lot of and owned several S&W revolvers...still do. Smooth, yes but very heavy.

I, like you, am amazed at what some of the members can do with the gun both in terms of accuracy and speed of shooting. They are, in the main, the exception from what I have seen.

From taliking and shooting with ERT team members, to a man, they all have a similar view of the S&W. S&W didn't stop making them because they couldn't keep up with the orders.....

I know it would cost a bundle for all the members to re-qualify on another pistol but at some point they are going to have to as the gun is now an orphan.

Take Care

Bob
 
I carried the 5946 for about 10 years until being switched to the P226.
In all honesty the 5946 isn't as bad of a gun as some make it out to be.
Mine was very reliable and accurate. Problems do seem to be with weak extractors but they do not usually show up until alot of rounds are shot. The extractors do have a small surface area and then to chip and break out now and then. If we ever were fixing ours it was most often the extractors.

Some things I don't like about the gun.
1. The grip isn't machined or contoured that well. Around the bottom of the trigger gaurd, where it meets the frame, there's alot of material hanging out. Caused me callus' on my second finger. The p226 has much more human engineering into the grip.
2. The trigger is smooth but very heavy. Considered clipping off a couple of rings of hammer spring, but that's a no-no with an issued gun.
3. The old fashioned way the barrel locks inside the slide. Not that big of a deal but in a harsh enviroment could collect crud more than a P226 / Glock lock-up. What it does do is make for a long feed ramp. Now the bullet has to hit the lower part of the ramp and travel way up the ramp until chambering. The P226 / Glock system doesn't need the bullet to travel so far up a ramp. Heck the Glock almost feeds straight into the barrel with the feed ramp as an after thought. Not that big of a deal as the Smith was pretty reliable and a Police gun isn't subjected to what a Military gun can be.
4. The 5946 was accurate but very "labor intensive" to shoot well. When we changed to P226's scores went up for everyone. The P226 was just easier to shoot well and hit with. Maybe just a bit more human engineering in the design.

Reliability is good but our P226's have been unbelievable. Firing about 8K out of 14 Tactical P226's I remenber only 1 malfunction.

The P226 also takes down easier and you don't have the slide stop pin loose. Not that big of a deal, but it is a nice feature.

Just a few thoughts.

Rich
 
ian_in_vic said:
I'm thinking operator error. There are members who can do amazing things with those pistols, watch a few PPC duty pistol matches.
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I agree 100%,..I have shot with some members who are excellent shots. THey would not do that well in an IPSC match,...but that is more than just being accurate.
 
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