Custom stocks

chuck nelson said:
First of all lets get some facts straight. A McMillan does not cost twice as much as an HS Precision, and the ones I own cost nowhere near "$600-$700".
$500+whatever color options you add, $100 for adj comb, +shipping, +customs, +taxes on top of everything vs a ~$300 HS Precision take-off.
My McMillan also weighs less than your HS. I guarantee it.
my HS precisions are 2.4lbs, and ive modified them by filling the entire hollow part with solid fibreglass -- so subtract some weight from that for an unmodified stock. Mcmillans are between 3-4.5lbs, i dont have one to weigh but id say the A-2 i owned was definitely on the heavier end of that spectrum. 1-2 lbs is a pretty big deal especially considering that these rifles generally are not light to begin with
By your own admission a McMillan is significantly stronger. $150 worth of significance is money well spent IMO.
it is most definitely not a $150 difference. you cant just look at the $468 price tag of a Mcmillan and quote that here in Canada as their realistic price. if you actually read my posts you will see that i said HS Precision takeoffs are widely available in the EE whereas to get a Mcmillan you will have to order it from the factory, wait for up to half a year, and get @$#raped by customs if it finally arrives. in the real world a Mcmillan will cost you twice as much as an HS Precision.

as for the durability issue its no sinister 'admission' - i listed it several times as a feature of the Mcmillan stock. i also stated several times that this added durability would probably never come into play for the average hunter, making it pretty superfluous and hardly 'necessary'. it would be a significant difference in durability in the military, but their weapons see a lot more punishment and rough use than most hunters will ever subject their firearms to.
sure, but is Then there is the issue of average Joe Hunter and his big game hunting battery. Most, in all likelyhood, have more rifles in the safe than I do. A good reliable virtually indestructable laid up fiberglass/graphite stock is worth much more to me than an extra Remington SPS topped with a Bushnell Banner in the safe. It's cheaper as well.
i totally agree, but the question wasnt 'should i get a Mcmillan for my current rifle or buy another Remington SPS'. the question was 'is a Mcmillan necessary on a hunting rifle' and the answer is still a big fat resounding NO.

No, a McMillan will not make you a better hunter. It just might keep you in the field longer though and I've noticed that better hunters gravitate to better things.:eek:
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i prefer the HS Precision, you prefer the Mcmillans. im glad the market offers both of us a product that makes us happy. neither is required for hunting.

**BTW i just realised something:
i am referring to the tactical style Mcmillans like the A-2, A-3, A-4, etc, compared to the HS Precisions. i have never owned a Mcmillan 'hunting' stock, nor handled one. if they are much different or much lighter/cheaper then we are probably discussing completely different things here.
 
**BTW i just realised something:
i am referring to the tactical style Mcmillans like the A-2, A-3, A-4, etc, compared to the HS Precisions. i have never owned a Mcmillan 'hunting' stock, nor handled one. if they are much different or much lighter/cheaper then we are probably discussing completely different things here.
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Funny you wouldn't be talking about a "hunting" stock, as that is what your complete arguement is based upon. "The average hunter" and his rifle, and the NEED for a McMillan to make you a better HUNTER. Good grief man, I'm not going to be hunting much besides gophers with an A5.
 
FWIW, a typical McMillan hunting stock with standard fill runs 32 oz or so, and the new EDGE will weigh about 22 oz with a nice cushy 1" decelerator on board.

You can also get a new McMillan out of the US for $400 and shipping. With the dollars at par it's a good deal.

Raped by Customs? It's called sales tax and the $5 surcharge Canada Post tacks on. Not a whole lot different than buying in Canada.
 
chuck nelson said:
Funny you wouldn't be talking about a "hunting" stock, as that is what your complete arguement is based upon. "The average hunter" and his rifle, and the NEED for a McMillan to make you a better HUNTER. Good grief man, I'm not going to be hunting much besides gophers with an A5.
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my bad. i did however mentioned the A-2 by name 3-4 times so you guys had plenty of opportunities to correct me, geez :runaway:

almost everything i said still stands. they dont even come pillar bedded unless you pay a premium ($700-750 for installation, lol). a crap Stevens stock has pillar bedding, they cant throw in two frikken tubes of aluminum in a $400 stock? :rolleyes:

You can also get a new McMillan out of the US for $400 and shipping. With the dollars at par it's a good deal.
Raped by Customs? It's called sales tax and the $5 surcharge Canada Post tacks on. Not a whole lot different than buying in Canada.
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sure, but many people are quoting $400 as if thats what its going to cost. no, its not. its going to end up costing you significantly more than what it costs in the US whichever way you look at it, whether you buy it here or there.

so you are still looking at $400+shipping (lets say ~$50)+$5 customs+$65tax on top of everything= ~$520 to your door, without recoil pad or studs (w/shipping, taxes, customs, etc). then go pay a smith ~$100 to bed it for you and you are over $600.
ive lucked out over the years and many small packages arrive untouched by customs but i guarantee that customs agents will be all over your 40" Mcmillan box like a fat kid on a cupcake.

if you read over my posts carefully nowhere did i say the Mcmillans are 'bad'. i personally think that they are overpriced, and i prefer the HS Precision.
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neither are required for hunting. im starting to sound like a broken record here :(
 
with regards to stock prices -- you can walk into a store in the US and pick up a Bell & Carlson Duramaxx stock for $89-99.

here? you have people selling used ones for $160 and new ones for $200.
perhaps if i lived in the states and i walked into a store and could pick up a Mcmillan for $350 and walk out with it i would completely revise my opinion of them. for the price it will cost you to get one here in Canada they are not worth it to me.
then again im just a middle class working Joe, perhaps some of you guys with more money to spend on this hobby dont mind shelling out the big bucks for the Mcmillan reputation and added durability. i simply cant afford to just order a stock that will end up costing me over $600 when there are just as good options available at half the price.

Mcmillans are not bad stocks, not by a long shot, but IMO they are overpriced for what they are.
dont tell me that a solid fibreglass machine-inletted riflestock in a factory takes so much labour and hand fitting as to justify costing $400+. i had a guy make me a frikken handmade fibreglass canoe several years ago for that exact figure.
as a middle class working Joe my priorities lie with getting the most value for my money and i personally believe that the HS precision offers much more value than a Mcmillan. can we leave it at that and stop arguing please? :)
 
I haven't done this more than 5 or 6 times, so you may know the routine much better than me.

But you order your McMillan and specify colour, stud type, LOP and pad type. It comes to you painted, with the studs you request, the pad you want and your length of pull. Finished. Right now they're $399 at 24 hour campfire. Bedding will probably help.

With shipping it's $445 to your door plus both taxes and the $5 service fee. Yup, a bit over $500. Not quite the $800 posted earlier. Some Canadian gun shoips may charge that, and good on em. If someone decides to pay that, oh well.

I'm not arguing at all, just trying to present reality.

Whether you love em or hate em, I don't care. Good hunting.
 
do you have a link for those plz?
im actually interested - the ones on the mcmillan site are listed at nearly $400 with just machine inlet and no hardware.

i checked 24hourcampfire.com and the only finished, inletted stocks with hardware they have are anschutz style ones for .22s.
 
I'd pay $450 bucks for a Mcmillan before I'd drop $200 on a B&C if we are talking quality to quality. Take a Mcmillan and stick it in a vice and bend it, if you can. NOw try that with a B&C. The ones I have played with would have snapped. That goes for the MPI and Lonewolfs I have played with too. If I was going to go the economy route, I'd likely stick with a laminate, just becasue the cheaper fiberstocks are just as heavy anyway.
 
todbartell said:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22
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they dont charge extra for molded in colors like camo and such?
ill admit thats the best price ive seen yet, seems not such a bad deal with all the hardware and in a config/LOP/inlet of your choosing.

I'd pay $450 bucks for a Mcmillan before I'd drop $200 on a B&C if we are talking quality to quality. Take a Mcmillan and stick it in a vice and bend it, if you can. NOw try that with a B&C. The ones I have played with would have snapped. That goes for the MPI and Lonewolfs I have played with too. If I was going to go the economy route, I'd likely stick with a laminate, just becasue the cheaper fiberstocks are just as heavy anyway.
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IMO the US price on a B&C of <$100 is fair, but the ~$200 prices they charge here in Canada is insane. i would buy one to upgrade something like a Stevens or Savage for ~$100 but not more.
 
I've a all black 6.5-284 I am building right now. I am going to name it JC, the Man in Black (and I'll whistle 'Don't take you Guns to Town' whilst I pack it too:D). My new Mcstock is going to be an all black textured M40A1(HTG) with EDGE(graphite) fill. Can't wait!
 
few questions if you guys have some time:
1. do you guys usually order these with the $25 upgraded pillars (pillar bedding).
2. i assume LOP is with the pad installed? so if you order a 14" LOP rifle with a 1" pad the actual stock will have a 13" LOP? and 13.5" with a 1/2" pad?
3. i cant find a page on the Mcmillan site that details the exact difference between Standard, Magnum, Sniper, and Solid fill... can anyone elaborate?
4. has anyone ordered from this specific site before since the new $100 export regulations?
 
Gatehouse said:
I should buy one of hem for my 375 Ruger....Wonder which one?:runaway:
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well you basically have two options - classic or hunter (monte carlo), go with magnum fill, with a 1 inch decelerator pad, to the LOP you need, and pick a color

it is pretty simple, big guy :pirate:
 
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