Cutting weight via scope?

saskgunowner101 said:
... You selectively quote me here and there, while actually agreeing with others who have made the same points I have....
Shave weight off your rifle/kit, you don't need an excuse. Shave weight off your body, and don't make excuses. Don't bother arguing with me about weight loss, be honest with the guy in the mirror.
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I selectively quote to try to keep things more readable. If someone wants the full context, they can refer back to it.

I agreed with you where I could previously in this thread (post 44). Your post 63 made it sound like you think if anyone disagrees with you, they must be overweight. After reading the quoted post above, maybe that's not what you meant. Absolutely, many people can lose weight and their lives will be better for it. But it's simply not true for everyone.

The bolded text above is really the central point I've been trying to make, so I'm glad to agree with you here, too.
 
Butcherbill said:
It doesn’t though, a couple oz’s mean nothing in the grand scheme. Better off buying a lighter rifle, pounds make more of a difference.
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It's true that ounces mean relatively little. But ounces add up to pounds if you take them off of every item you carry. And that's the approach that probably most people trying to lighten their load take. For the OP, it's a pretty dramatic drop in weight for one item. Buying a lighter rifle to get the same drop would probably be much more costly.

I'm sure you've got your 372 dialed in the way you want, but for someone who doesn't they make choices about options that have an effect on weight: Heated handle, full wrap, length of bar, lightweight bar, that sort of thing. It's one thing if the heavier weight options get you some feature that you benefit from, but why carry extra weight if it does you no good?

Some people care about lightweight gear, and some don't. Getting stronger and/or losing weight isn't the only answer for every situation.
 
Duramax6.6 said:
Well said and good job dropping the bottle (it doesn't do anyone any good).
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Thanks.I guess that was one of my biggest problems to work on, but it's been smooth sailing for 18-19 years now. I'm still envious of the guys who can have a few beer or dance with a bottle now and then and walk away. For me it was lighting a rocket, and it was gonna burn hard until it ran out of fuel.:d:d:d
 
alpining said:
It's true that ounces mean relatively little. But ounces add up to pounds if you take them off of every item you carry. And that's the approach that probably most people trying to lighten their load take. For the OP, it's a pretty dramatic drop in weight for one item. Buying a lighter rifle to get the same drop would probably be much more costly.

I'm sure you've got your 372 dialed in the way you want, but for someone who doesn't they make choices about options that have an effect on weight: Heated handle, full wrap, length of bar, lightweight bar, that sort of thing. It's one thing if the heavier weight options get you some feature that you benefit from, but why carry extra weight if it does you no good?

Some people care about lightweight gear, and some don't. Getting stronger and/or losing weight isn't the only answer for every situation.
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Don’t get me wrong here, I will always be in the lighter is better if it doesn’t add any benefit camp. It has to be in the overall category, it has to add up to something greater than a few ounce’s for it to make a difference. I started hunting with a Lee Enfield, it weighed around 10lbs without ammo, after 2-3 years of lugging it around the bush I bought a 6-7lb rifle. I’d already stripped out any non essential gear from my pack etc etc so there was no real weight savings in a lighter scope or rings. I still hunt with the No.4 but it’s just sees different use. Dropping 3lbs of rifle and totally gutting my hunting gear again, plus staying fit at work have all helped me with less felt weight. A couple oz’s wouldn’t really do much for me.

On the 372, the heated handle only gets used in the fall/winter but there’s no weight saving by eliminating it as it’s just a strip of tape and wires so that’s a no brainer. When it’s wet and cold or mid nov I’m happy to have the heat, the light bar is not really about weight saving it’s balance more than anything. It just makes carrying the 15lbs nicer lol, trust me I’m tempted to buy a couple 500i’s. More power in a lighter saw would be great but the price difference isn’t worth it, I can get 372’s with all the bells for under a grand. 500i’s are around $2000 with some upgrades and there’s no heated wrap options. I’ll just eat my wheaties and pack a 372 and save myself $1000 per saw.
 
Butcherbill said:
Don’t get me wrong here, I will always be in the lighter is better if it doesn’t add any benefit camp. It has to be in the overall category, it has to add up to something greater than a few ounce’s for it to make a difference. ...

On the 372, the heated handle only gets used in the fall/winter but there’s no weight saving by eliminating it as it’s just a strip of tape and wires so that’s a no brainer. When it’s wet and cold or mid nov I’m happy to have the heat, the light bar is not really about weight saving it’s balance more than anything. It just makes carrying the 15lbs nicer lol, trust me I’m tempted to buy a couple 500i’s. More power in a lighter saw would be great but the price difference isn’t worth it, I can get 372’s with all the bells for under a grand. 500i’s are around $2000 with some upgrades and there’s no heated wrap options. I’ll just eat my wheaties and pack a 372 and save myself $1000 per saw.
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Agreed, it's best if the weight shaving saskgunowner101 mentions add up to pounds rather than ounces. But a few ounces on a lightweight rifle can change the balance significantly (depending where it is), which might matter to some.

Interesting, I'd always seen published saw weights showing the heated options being heavier. I'll have to look at the option again. We don't get many really cold days here (usually, but this winter has been a challenge), but being more comfortable generally means more productivity. Just like balancing the saw better does the same - Not just for carry, but especially handling. Hey wait, those arguments apply to hunting gear, too! ;)

A little off topic, but have you run a 500i? We got one back when they were ~1500 I think. They are truly extraordinary - Power of course, but also handling (with a light bar). I haven't used one of the latest 372s, though.
 
alpining said:
I selectively quote to try to keep things more readable. If someone wants the full context, they can refer back to it.

I agreed with you where I could previously in this thread (post 44). Your post 63 made it sound like you think if anyone disagrees with you, they must be overweight. After reading the quoted post above, maybe that's not what you meant. Absolutely, many people can lose weight and their lives will be better for it. But it's simply not true for everyone.

The bolded text above is really the central point I've been trying to make, so I'm glad to agree with you here, too.
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I like to rattle cages sometimes, so there's really nothing more to it than that lol. I truly do believe that some weight loss is by far the best thing a guy can do for themselves, as it's effect reaches out much further than throwing cash to save ounces on something you carry for hours at a time. Look in the mirror, you carry that thing 24 hours a day. Best bang for your buck. I will concede though, a rifle can be okay for weight but be unbalanced, and it handles like a 2x4 with a brick tied to the side. If nothing else, a few guys were amused at us bickering.:d
 
alpining said:
Interesting, I'd always seen published saw weights showing the heated options being heavier. I'll have to look at the option again. We don't get many really cold days here (usually, but this winter has been a challenge), but being more comfortable generally means more productivity. Just like balancing the saw better does the same - Not just for carry, but especially handling. Hey wait, those arguments apply to hunting gear, too! ;)

A little off topic, but have you run a 500i? We got one back when they were ~1500 I think. They are truly extraordinary - Power of course, but also handling (with a light bar). I haven't used one of the latest 372s, though.
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Im sure there are other systems to heat handles but on my 372’s which are 2019 models there’s basically heat tape between the handle and rubber grip/sleeve, it connects to the wiring harness on the inside of the full wrap on the clutch cover side. Haven’t looked at the heater on the pistol grip but I expect it’s similar, I’ll know soon though as I have a loose wire on one saw. Go figure it stops working when the snow started falling yet all summer it worked great everytime I accidentally hit the switch lol.

Yes I’ve run the 500i a little bit, a couple guys I’ve worked with the last two years have gone over to them. Real nice saw, tons of power and with a 28” lite bar it’s balanced great. They seem to be holding up well, the big upgrades I see being done are mufflers and clutch covers. WCS makes a billet clutch cover with an upgraded chip deflector, the factory ones get chewed up quick they all said. Add another $300 to your $2000 saw though, iirc 372’s from Small Power in AB are still $930-960. I haven’t one gripe about my 372’s they’ve been bomber, I’m surprised that the 500i still doesn’t have a winter handle option for the price they cost. Maybe due to the ignition system and it being fuel injected?
 
Butcherbill said:
...I have a loose wire on one saw. Go figure it stops working when the snow started falling yet all summer it worked great everytime I accidentally hit the switch lol....
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Naturally, it craps out just in the nick of time!

I'm surprised nobody has come up with an aftermarket heater for the 500i. They're popular enough.
 
alpining said:
Naturally, it craps out just in the nick of time!

I'm surprised nobody has come up with an aftermarket heater for the 500i. They're popular enough.
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For the price of a 500i it should come standard with a winter full wrap lol, I have heard that Husqvarna was having supply issues with getting heater parts and wasn’t able to offer them the last while so maybe that’s Stihl’s issue as well.
 
medvedqc said:
if it was that simple ... trust me on the mountain you will gladly have lost 10 kilos and remove 2 kilos on your equipment and still not feel that losts ...
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A couple of my friends got drawn for Alberta Sheep, a few years ago. They started from both being in pretty decent shape. They started training for the hunt about three months in advance, hiking to work, carrying a standard crowbar, and wearing a 50-60 pound pack.

They added in gym sessions. In addition to PT time through the Military.

After three months getting ready, they went out into the mountains for 10 or so days. Between the two of them, they lost a total of 60 pounds while out there! There ain't nothing like the real thing, baby!

If you want to save weight via the scope, I figure as long as you are getting a better, or equivalent scope, fine. But if weight is what you are looking at as the bottom line, you have so many other places to cut ounces and pounds, that a downgrade on the optics, would be pretty far down on the list of places I would be looking, unless all the other places had been dealt with.

A family member was a road bike racer. Those guys REALLY know how to spend money to save a couple grams!
 
the problem we had nowadays is all the gurus promoting lightweight equipment without even proofing it ... you can gain on weight on your gear and on your body but do cheapening as Trevj said on your scope or other equipment that may save your bacon.
there is one thing you need absolutely and that some are calling a puff jacket and we in the mountains called for already a long time a bellay jacket ...
 
trevj said:
After three months getting ready, they went out into the mountains for 10 or so days. Between the two of them, they lost a total of 60 pounds while out there! There ain't nothing like the real thing, baby!

If you want to save weight via the scope, I figure as long as you are getting a better, or equivalent scope, fine.
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Do you mean to say they each lost 3lbs a day? That's impossible. Guys building a cabin in Alaska with no food lost less weight than that over a month.


Maybe you didn't read all my posts but i went from a 100$ bushnell to a Leupold. I say that's a quality upgrade.
 
There's no reason for a hunting scope to be any more than 12 oz. A good 2-7*33 is fine out to 300 yds. There's a reason that the old timers like their light little scopes. They've already gone through all the nonsense and come to reasonable conclusions.
 
trevj said:
A couple of my friends got drawn for Alberta Sheep, a few years ago. They started from both being in pretty decent shape. They started training for the hunt about three months in advance, hiking to work, carrying a standard crowbar, and wearing a 50-60 pound pack.

They added in gym sessions. In addition to PT time through the Military.

After three months getting ready, they went out into the mountains for 10 or so days. Between the two of them, they lost a total of 60 pounds while out there! There ain't nothing like the real thing, baby!

If you want to save weight via the scope, I figure as long as you are getting a better, or equivalent scope, fine. But if weight is what you are looking at as the bottom line, you have so many other places to cut ounces and pounds, that a downgrade on the optics, would be pretty far down on the list of places I would be looking, unless all the other places had been dealt with.

A family member was a road bike racer. Those guys REALLY know how to spend money to save a couple grams!
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yes sir, I entered sheep seasons in top shape and half ass shape and learned no matter what it takes 2-3 days to really get your legs to where you can go every day lol so all the extra training was for other benefits, with pain killers at night to sleep and one before the big descents to help the knees, maybe they lost 60 lbs including their food etc. and came out light everywhere but I think most I lost was about 8 lbs on 6 days
 
Philthy1 said:
There's no reason for a hunting scope to be any more than 12 oz. A good 2-7*33 is fine out to 300 yds. There's a reason that the old timers like their light little scopes. They've already gone through all the nonsense and come to reasonable conclusions.
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just wait until the old guys add 1.4 oz to that and have a look at a Trijicon accupoint 3-9x40, that next level glass plus the illuminated dot make old guys even happier, ask me how I know, and I've driven it to 420 yards on deer so far no problems, thank me later but your wallet will be a little mad, and it still clears barrels in 1" low rings, no batteries, well worth the upgrade over the smaller 1" leupolds...I know....I was smaller 1" leupold diehard for a long time, gave one of these a try and leupolds became a back up plan
 
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