CVA Scout

Suther said:
The should make the single shot in 223rem. I bet those would sell well, I'd be very much interested in one, even moreso than I am a 444 marlin and I really want a 444 marlin.
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Thats why I just picked up a henry single shot 223. Just a fun round to play with, and don't want a semi auto.

Just happened to come across one new retail, as I don't usually see them much either.

While I do say the wood stock seems nice on the henry, and I do enjoy the smaller trigger guard, and the lever break open on the henry more than the cva, I do dislike having to mount the scope up higher than wanted. On the cva the scope seemed lower mounted and not interfering with the hammer, but on the henry you have to mount the scope higher to clear. And yes even with the hammer side extension. I had to go with extra high rings on the henry with the henry rail, and even then the rail seemed tall already.
I do prefer the stainless look on the cva over henry's blued, and the heavier cva barrel, but hey I'm shooting a single shot 223, and cva doesn't have one.


Remember Suther, if you hand load, only ftx and HP are available right now for the bullets on the 444. You can buy the hornady ammo, 265gr SP, and those shoot well, but just not many available to reload. Another reason I switched to 450 bushmaster. I even tried swagging a full .458" round down to .452" and that seemed to work well, on the range anyways. I won't be short of .458" projectiles. In the end if there were more projectiles available for the 444 I think I would have stayed with it. I enjoyed being able to load bird shot in that longer case to carry for grouse while out hunting. I tried to replicate one on the 450, but have failed so far as the case is just not long enough.
 
wallz said:
Thats why I just picked up a henry single shot 223. Just a fun round to play with, and don't want a semi auto.

Just happened to come across one new retail, as I don't usually see them much either.

While I do say the wood stock seems nice on the henry, and I do enjoy the smaller trigger guard, and the lever break open on the henry more than the cva, I do dislike having to mount the scope up higher than wanted. On the cva the scope seemed lower mounted and not interfering with the hammer, but on the henry you have to mount the scope higher to clear. And yes even with the hammer side extension. I had to go with extra high rings on the henry with the henry rail, and even then the rail seemed tall already.
I do prefer the stainless look on the cva over henry's blued, and the heavier cva barrel, but hey I'm shooting a single shot 223, and cva doesn't have one.


Remember Suther, if you hand load, only ftx and HP are available right now for the bullets on the 444. You can buy the hornady ammo, 265gr SP, and those shoot well, but just not many available to reload. Another reason I switched to 450 bushmaster. I even tried swagging a full .458" round down to .452" and that seemed to work well, on the range anyways. I won't be short of .458" projectiles. In the end if there were more projectiles available for the 444 I think I would have stayed with it. I enjoyed being able to load bird shot in that longer case to carry for grouse while out hunting. I tried to replicate one on the 450, but have failed so far as the case is just not long enough.
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I have a Henry in 243. The prices on them have gone up substantially in the last few years though. One of the reasons I am interested in the CVA Scout is how darn affordable the base model is. That said, I used medium Weaver Grand Slam rings on my Henry without issues. I do have an EGW rail for mine rather than the cheap Weaver one, I couldn't get the scope far enough back with the Weaver rail. If I were to guess I'd say the EGW rail is taller than the Weaver one. It is higher than I would prefer, but that is the case with basically every gun I own.

As for the 444, I realize bullet options are somewhat limited. X-reload has a 300gr Sierra soft point and some X bullets, but I'd have to do more research to figure out if they are suitable for 444 marlin velocity. For that reason I may very well end up with either a 44 mag or a 45-70, but there is something about the 444 that the other two just don't have. The 44 mag would give me ammo compatibility with a revolver in the future assuming the handgun freeze gets reversed after the next election, but I am not about to make a purchase based on hoping a politician will do the right thing...

Last year I saw a few 45-70s and 44 mags for under $500. If I see that kind of deal again I'm going to be VERY hard pressed not to snag one, even if its not the 444 I truly want.
 
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Butcherbill said:
Can anyone with the 45-70 chime in, is the muzzle brake on the stainless model worth the price over the blued version without a brake?
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I have a Scout 45-70 that I converted to a smokeless muzzleloader. It's not apples to apples but shooting 250 gr. bullets at around 2500 fps without and with the brake reduces the felt recoil to that of a 30-30 . As to if it worth having, I have the option of using it or not , plus the stainless is nice for cleaning . ( a word of advice, if you get the stainless make sure the thread protector is in the box for when you don't use the brake. I had to get one after the fact.)
 
smokeeter said:
I have a Scout 45-70 that I converted to a smokeless muzzleloader. It's not apples to apples but shooting 250 gr. bullets at around 2500 fps without and with the brake reduces the felt recoil to that of a 30-30 . As to if it worth having, I have the option of using it or not , plus the stainless is nice for cleaning . ( a word of advice, if you get the stainless make sure the thread protector is in the box for when you don't use the brake. I had to get one after the fact.)
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Thanks for the feedback, I’m on the fence with blued vs stainless. I like the look of both, I’m not a huge brake guy especially on a hunting gun but as you say I can always take it off and run the thread protector. I was looking at one recently, in .444 Marlin iirc and it looked pretty fun.
 
Butcherbill said:
Can anyone with the 45-70 chime in, is the muzzle brake on the stainless model worth the price over the blued version without a brake?
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I have the stainless with the brake - looks nice but doesn’t seem to make a lot difference in recoil- I have a brake on Marlin guide gun and it really works - but unlike the cva it is loud - I would buy whichever one you like the looks of or cost saving
 
Butcherbill said:
Thanks for the feedback, I’m on the fence with blued vs stainless. I like the look of both, I’m not a huge brake guy especially on a hunting gun but as you say I can always take it off and run the thread protector. I was looking at one recently, in .444 Marlin iirc and it looked pretty fun.
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I know where there is a 450 BM and a 45/70, if interested.
 
jjohnwm said:
I have one in 44mag, and also one of the older CVA Apex singles with barrels in .300WinMag and .50-cal muzzleloader. I think these guns represent an excellent value per dollar spent. Back when the H&R and NEF singles were available new, they were good-shooting cheap singleshots that filled this niche, but now they're only available on the used market and most owners think that they have somehow transformed into solid gold. The CVA's are available brand new for less money than many of the used H&R's in the EE, and I think they are much better made, better finished and better looking than the old guns.
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Yes, the h&r handi couldn't sell well enough to survive at $350 but somehow people think they're worth double that used lol. I saw one on the EE a week or so ago for a whopping 2 grand but to the sellers credit, there were some reloading components included lol.
 
Well I just picked up a stainless 45-70, pretty nice rifle overall I gotta say. Tight lockup, fit and finish is nice.

Can’t wait to figure out an optic and shoot it, have some brass and a die set already but need to grab some more components.
 
Butcherbill said:
Well I just picked up a stainless 45-70, pretty nice rifle overall I gotta say. Tight lockup, fit and finish is nice.

Can’t wait to figure out an optic and shoot it, have some brass and a die set already but need to grab some more components.
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Congrats on the scout !! Good bang for the buck… I have a couple of the blued version in that caliber.
 
I picked up the scout 45/70 over the winter, scoped it with a leupold muzzloader scope and put its first 3 shots at 100 yards with some leverevolution ammo under 1"!
Nice triggers on these guns too!
 
Suther said:
I have a Henry in 243. The prices on them have gone up substantially in the last few years though. One of the reasons I am interested in the CVA Scout is how darn affordable the base model is. That said, I used medium Weaver Grand Slam rings on my Henry without issues. I do have an EGW rail for mine rather than the cheap Weaver one, I couldn't get the scope far enough back with the Weaver rail. If I were to guess I'd say the EGW rail is taller than the Weaver one. It is higher than I would prefer, but that is the case with basically every gun I own.

As for the 444, I realize bullet options are somewhat limited. X-reload has a 300gr Sierra soft point and some X bullets, but I'd have to do more research to figure out if they are suitable for 444 marlin velocity. For that reason I may very well end up with either a 44 mag or a 45-70, but there is something about the 444 that the other two just don't have. The 44 mag would give me ammo compatibility with a revolver in the future assuming the handgun freeze gets reversed after the next election, but I am not about to make a purchase based on hoping a politician will do the right thing...

Last year I saw a few 45-70s and 44 mags for under $500. If I see that kind of deal again I'm going to be VERY hard pressed not to snag one, even if its not the 444 I truly want.
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The 300gr Sierra is another 'Long in the Tooth' Heavy Revolver bullet.
Sierra 8th says "Cannelure placement on the 300gr JSP precludes its use in the 444 Marlin". Sierra doesn't provide 444 load data for their 300gr JSP bullet.

They 'might' single feed in a 444 CVA but depending on rifle, might jam into the lands = high pressure.
I've shied away from them for this reason.

240, 280 & 300 grain Swift A-Frames have similar COL issues when loaded for the 444 Marlin.
 
Has anyone figured out what thread pitch the muzzle is threaded with? The only thing that pops up online is 18x1, CVA’s website has very little info for specs. Interweb’s seem to say barrel is 1:20 twist.
 
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