CWD - How do you handle a positive animal

Spruster said:
The one maybe big problem is hunters shooting an animal out east and then bringing back home ...to the west

There's no safety check of positive or not when you drop off at bucther shop , that's WRONG ...
show proof before

CWD is spreading in the backs of trucks ... !!!!

I'm talking Alberta here
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Not sure about other provinces, but in Ontario you are not allowed to bring any meat into the province that is not butchered, and no parts of the brain or spine.

New regulations came into effect January 1, 2021 to help reduce the risk of CWD coming into Ontario through imported cervid body parts hunted in other provinces, states or territories.

If you hunt cervids out of province, you can only bring back to Ontario:

butchered, deboned and packaged meat
a cleaned skull plate and antlers
tanned hides and capes
finished taxidermy mounts
It’s illegal to bring any other body parts from deer species into Ontario. These rules apply to all members of the deer family, or cervids, which comprise more than 37 species.

All imported parts must be clean of all other tissue and labelled with the:

species name
name and address of the owner
location where the imported parts came from
Any unwanted parts must be disposed of at a facility authorized to receive animal waste/animal parts.

Hunters who have any part of a cervid that was transported into Ontario, and has also tested positive for CWD, must:

let us know by calling or emailing your local ministry district office
dispose of the parts according to our direction
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blargon said:
Not sure about other provinces, but in Ontario you are not allowed to bring any meat into the province that is not butchered, and no parts of the brain or spine.
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Good , i was refering to in Alberta only but I hear ya
One good thing is butcher shops here now can not accept wild game with any bone in ..
It's a start to what was a very relaxed restriction for handling CWD meat and animal

Those that don't wanna believe , well have at it and grow another $%%#@^ or %%$#@&

Eat all you want ..BBQ sauce kills it
 
I was standing in a butcher shop when a young fellow ran in demanding his mule deer back ..
" It came back positive "
I turned around and left
that was about 200 klms from the nearist CWD mandatory zone for testing
 
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The disease, in Manitoba at least, is found predominantly in the mule deer population. In whitetail deer, it seems to be mostly in the bucks so far, although the infection rate is extremely low for whitetail at this point in time.
 
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logan1080 said:
So my white tail came back positive with CWD. My question is what are people doing with all their equipment that would have been in contact with the prions? My knives, clothing, boots, gloves, everything my gloves touched etc etc could have been in contact with CWD prions during the harvesting process and those prions are extremely hard to kill. Do you typically just toss everything in the garbage (a very expensive choice)? My concerns basically come from a study in Calgary that suggests humans MAY not be totally immune from the disease.
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good question
If it were me , answer
anything that came into contact with the animal . Well the insides of it forsure , spine , bone , brain etc .. all equipment
GONE
From what what i've read , bleach does cure all so why chance with you and family
I know that sounds drastic but how important is your health ?
again just me
DDT took 10's of year's to ban
 
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Grizzlypeg said:
The disease, in Manitoba at least, is found predominantly in the mule deer population. In whitetail deer, it seems to be mostly in the bucks so far, although the infection rate is extremely low for whitetail at this point in time.
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Dear Hunter,

In this first report for the 2023/24 season, the Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) Surveillance Program has detected four (4) additional positive cases in Manitoba to date.

These cases include two (2) male mule deer and one (1) male white-tailed deer, all from an area in south-west Manitoba near Coulter. CWD had been detected in this area previously.

Further, a new case of CWD was recently detected in one (1) female white-tailed deer in south-central Manitoba near Winkler. This detection is the first CWD case not in relative proximity to the Saskatchewan border. CWD surveillance includes mandatory sample submissions from licensed hunters (mule deer, white-tailed deer, and elk), and testing of roadkill, within the CWD Surveillance Zone. In addition, testing of any of these species that appear sick province-wide, and samples submitted voluntarily from rights-based harvesters. Most samples are submitted by hunters during licensed hunting seasons in November and early December. In 2023, over 4,000 samples were submitted for testing. At this time, 97% of test results have been returned to hunters that have submitted samples. Preliminary analysis suggests Manitoba’s CWD-prevalence rate is low with 0.06% white-tailed deer and 2.5% of mule deer testing positive.
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4 cases in all the deer they tested in MB. But considering they only tested apx 4000 deer and 30000+ general WT tags are sold each year I don't know if I'd call that conclusive data.

OP, the MB government requires any antlers being brought into the province be cleaned with a chlorine solution of no less the 2%. Looking into the sanitizing properties of chlorine vs cwd prions could be a place to start. You could always email the UofCalgary people that conducted that study your referencing and see how they sanitized their equipment that came in contact with the live virus. They also would of had to safely dispose of the mouse carcasses. Personally that's where I would start if the province didn't have some sort of mandatory process.
 
https://inspection.canada.ca/animal...eportable/cwd/eng/1330143462380/1330143991594

If a test result returns positive, all parts of the animal will be disposed of by federally approved prion destruction methods, such as burial, incineration or specified risk material (SRM) rendering.
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https://cwd-info.org/hunting-faq/

How should I clean my knives, saws and other butchering equipment? What destroys prions?
Prions are very resistant to disinfection. Wash hands and instruments thoroughly after field dressing is completed. Instruments, cutting boards and other items used for field dressing or processing should be soaked for 5 minutes in a 40% solution of household bleach to inactivate prions. However, the items must be completely clean with absolutely no tissue or organic matter present for this procedure to be effective.
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There's some more resources for you.
 
So a mildly irritating (alkaline) solution of bleach is enough while the Human stomach, one of the most acidic of all animals is not enough to destroy the prions. Sounds sciencey.
 
MiG25 said:
So a mildly irritating (alkaline) solution of bleach is enough while the Human stomach, one of the most acidic of all animals is not enough to destroy the prions. Sounds sciencey.
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You believe what you wanna ...but
You're wrong
It's honestly, attidudes like this that is a big part of the problem
 
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I just received an email from the Manitoba gummint detailing the latest results of CWD testing. They got positive results from two Mule Deer bucks taken in the extreme southwest of the province...and one positive result in a Whitetail from several hundred kilometers east of that locale. That third one is particularly disturbing, since it seems to imply that the disease is rapidly moving eastward.

Last year the province was selling Mule Deer tags for only $5 in an effort to keep those nasty long-eared bastidges out of the province; normally Mulies are a relative rarity in Manitoba and there has not been any open season in years past.

Now, I'm not one to completely ignore...well, anything, really. But I'm also not falling all over myself to believe any statement made by anybody who happens to have a university degree, and/or who works for the government.

Am I going to be the first human case of CWD? Maybe...but I will take more precautions to avoid being hit by lightning, and I hardly think at all about being struck and killed by a meteor while walking to my deerstand, so I'm obviously deranged. I consider myself lucky to live in one of the few remaining areas in the province that don't require mandatory CWD testing of hunter-killed deer...although after seeing this new report, I'd bet folding money that will change next year.

Hmmmm...butcher the deer, wrap it and freeze it...send the test samples in...keep all that meat, along with the freezer and all my hunting gear, knives, tools, clothing, etc. sequestered in an outbuilding behind the barn...and hope for the best? Then, a month and a half later, if they say it's okay...maybe I can cautiously slip a roast into the Sous Vide and take the daring step of eating it? Sounds dicey...

And...what if they ring the alarm bell? A positive test! Well, by that time I'll have a moat dug around that outbuilding...a can of gasoline and a match should keep me safe...or can those invulnerable and insidious prions survive a bonfire, flying into the air and settling into the lungs of my family, my neighbours...

I'm so afraid. Last night I saw a shooting star, and scurried into the house for fear of being struck. But this new threat? There is no escape! :rolleyes:

Oh, hey...I just realized I still have a bag of unused Covid masks leftover from my last job, where they were mandatory! Will they save me? And...do I wear them or eat them?
 
jjohnwm said:
I just received an email from the Manitoba gummint detailing the latest results of CWD testing. They got positive results from two Mule Deer bucks taken in the extreme southwest of the province...and one positive result in a Whitetail from several hundred kilometers east of that locale. That third one is particularly disturbing, since it seems to imply that the disease is rapidly moving eastward.

Last year the province was selling Mule Deer tags for only $5 in an effort to keep those nasty long-eared bastidges out of the province; normally Mulies are a relative rarity in Manitoba and there has not been any open season in years past.

Now, I'm not one to completely ignore...well, anything, really. But I'm also not falling all over myself to believe any statement made by anybody who happens to have a university degree, and/or who works for the government.

Am I going to be the first human case of CWD? Maybe...but I will take more precautions to avoid being hit by lightning, and I hardly think at all about being struck and killed by a meteor while walking to my deerstand, so I'm obviously deranged. I consider myself lucky to live in one of the few remaining areas in the province that don't require mandatory CWD testing of hunter-killed deer...although after seeing this new report, I'd bet folding money that will change next year.

Hmmmm...butcher the deer, wrap it and freeze it...send the test samples in...keep all that meat, along with the freezer and all my hunting gear, knives, tools, clothing, etc. sequestered in an outbuilding behind the barn...and hope for the best? Then, a month and a half later, if they say it's okay...maybe I can cautiously slip a roast into the Sous Vide and take the daring step of eating it? Sounds dicey...

And...what if they ring the alarm bell? A positive test! Well, by that time I'll have a moat dug around that outbuilding...a can of gasoline and a match should keep me safe...or can those invulnerable and insidious prions survive a bonfire, flying into the air and settling into the lungs of my family, my neighbours...

I'm so afraid. Last night I saw a shooting star, and scurried into the house for fear of being struck. But this new threat? There is no escape! :rolleyes:

Oh, hey...I just realized I still have a bag of unused Covid masks leftover from my last job, where they were mandatory! Will they save me? And...do I wear them or eat them?
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I live North and West of Russell, Manitoba - maybe 5 miles from Sask border. Two falls ago, we were watching the black helicopters work the bush across the lake and then on this side - never directly overhead that I saw, but easily visible out the windows of our house - and in evening when taking dog for walk we would hear the rifle shots. In January (?) met a convoy of Manitoba DNR and other not marked vehicles on highway - travelling north to area from where we heard those shots - we were told the plethora of snowmobiles and trailers that convoy was hauling was a ground "recovery team" that we going to recover the animals shot by the helicopter guys. I pulled over on side of gravel road and watched one of those helicopters harry a few mule deer out of bush out into field. Funny thing though - two days after the helicopters were gone - was at least two dozen white tail feeding in nearby field - I am sure they had just walked across from Saskatchewan. Still have not seen a mule deer here since, and saw first moose a couple weeks ago - also saw some elk this fall - did not see any last year.

All the forgoing was based on report of "one" mule deer reported with CWD - taken in October, when there are NO seasons for deer - let alone mule deer - in Manitoba. Gov't response was to "cull" - did not work in USA, did not work in Zone 46 in Sask. in 1990's, did not work in Alberta about then - but apparently was going to work here, this time? As per that DNR plan - you should be safe from CWD infected deer - gov't says it has been taken care of - wasn't it?
 
Spruster said:
You believe what you wanna ...but
You're wrong
It's honestly, attidudes like this that is a big part of the problem
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Yeah, a 2.5% (40% of household) bleach solution is enough to destroy the prions in 5 minutes but one of the most acidic digestive systems on Earth won't. Make perfect sense... you guys don't seem to understand the basic function of the Human digestive system. And what it does to proteins.

Just like a ban on blood donations from England and injecting the prion into mouse brains "proves" that humans can get it by eating beef or venison. Scrapie has been known for centuries but we are supposed to be afraid of CWD.
 
Potashminer, does your area not normally have both bow and blackpowder seasons open in October?

I'm curious; were those helicopter snipers shooting only mulies, or was the goal (as I had heard elsewhere) to eliminate all deer of either species in the area? Was there a regular whitetail rifle season there that year? Did you hunt it? If so, did you test your kill, and how long did that take? Did you notice a significant difference in deer sightings during the season?

I like being able to discuss this here, in relative anonymity. If we were to meet in person, I would be too frightened to freely converse with you...an apparent dissident, and so therefore a likely person "of interest" to our lizard overlords. :)
 
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